@GGG - Could someone explain why Mjolner is having its cooldown increased? [new 2.6 changes :P]

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Mordad wrote:

Ok so they just destroyed the item because of performance concerns?
And than no time to fix this or to re design the item? Really???

And than Chris talks about bad decisions regarding CoC changes... lmao.

Well i guess div./ess. tab was my last support for a long time.

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For Discharge specifically, we'd most like to see its primary use as a self-cast skill. We likely won't make any changes in this direction until 3.0.0.

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goetzjam wrote:

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For Discharge specifically, we'd most like to see its primary use as a self-cast skill. We likely won't make any changes in this direction until 3.0.0.

Why not do what you guys do for all other skills, design a skill around self casting or design a specific skill around being proc'd.


These uniques, cospris, volls, mjolner, rely on discharge in order to be powerful, without discharge in a good state or the uniques having lower cooldowns, the builds are far weaker and uniques are far less valuable.

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jeke777 wrote:

Making discharge only self cast would be a huge disappointment and another step in the wrong direction imo. There's a reason why there aren't any discharge self cast builds.

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goetzjam wrote:

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jeke777 wrote:

Making discharge only self cast would be a huge disappointment and another step in the wrong direction imo. There's a reason why there aren't any discharge self cast builds.

I agree, by making changes to the skill that would make it more and more favored to be self cast, its likely a nerf to these proc chance items further and further.

Now I dont know the math around how much each discharge cost them, but if they are considering nerfing it so that various mid to high tier uniques are made essentially useless in the process that isn't exactly good game design is it?

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goetzjam wrote:

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For Discharge specifically, we'd most like to see its primary use as a self-cast skill. We likely won't make any changes in this direction until 3.0.0.

Why not do what you guys do for all other skills, design a skill around self casting or design a specific skill around being proc'd.


These uniques, cospris, volls, mjolner, rely on discharge in order to be powerful, without discharge in a good state or the uniques having lower cooldowns, the builds are far weaker and uniques are far less valuable.

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Qarl wrote:

The cooldown changes were primarily driven by performance concerns. The change intended was vs the rate of hitting. It was not aimed at Discharge.

We realise these uniques are not in the right place after these changes were made. The balance team (a combination of specific designers and QA) was under a reasonable pressure to pick a right answer for 2.5.0 in a short period of time. (For those looking to blame someone, feel free to assign it to me for putting undue time constraints on the balance team.)

From here, we may make changes to these uniques in upcoming leagues, or changes related to the mechanics around them. I am not sure exactly when this will occur but it's likely to be in the first half of 2017.

However, rebalancing every unique that is associated with a specific build is not something we want to do every three months. While we do make sufficient assessments ahead of time, we can't fully assess what a league's meta-game will look like. (And if we could it would likely mean we haven't made the game interesting enough.) Some item-centric builds will wax and wane with other changes. In some cases we may make the wrong call on changes to specific items.

We will not be making any changes to these cooldowns or related values within Breach league.

For Discharge specifically, we'd most like to see its primary use as a self-cast skill. We likely won't make any changes in this direction until 3.0.0.

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tackle70 wrote:

Personally, I'd love to see discharge have its elemental tags removed so that its not a functional trigger skill, and then the design space would open up for decent single target lightning skills to be made (all current single target skills are a bit gimmicky).

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Qarl wrote:

The cooldown changes were primarily driven by performance concerns. The change intended was vs the rate of hitting. It was not aimed at Discharge.

We realise these uniques are not in the right place after these changes were made. The balance team (a combination of specific designers and QA) was under a reasonable pressure to pick a right answer for 2.5.0 in a short period of time. (For those looking to blame someone, feel free to assign it to me for putting undue time constraints on the balance team.)

From here, we may make changes to these uniques in upcoming leagues, or changes related to the mechanics around them. I am not sure exactly when this will occur but it's likely to be in the first half of 2017.

However, rebalancing every unique that is associated with a specific build is not something we want to do every three months. While we do make sufficient assessments ahead of time, we can't fully assess what a league's meta-game will look like. (And if we could it would likely mean we haven't made the game interesting enough.) Some item-centric builds will wax and wane with other changes. In some cases we may make the wrong call on changes to specific items.

We will not be making any changes to these cooldowns or related values within Breach league.

For Discharge specifically, we'd most like to see its primary use as a self-cast skill. We likely won't make any changes in this direction until 3.0.0.