Clear Speed meta is good and isnt even yet where it needs to be

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Docbp87 wrote:

Everyone seems to have forgotten that Reave exists, which has arguably BETTER clear speed for general mapping, but isn't as good as something like blade flurry for single target... Yet somehow I haven't heard anyone bitching about Reave. Maybe Mathil should play Reave so all the whiners will see...

my toon was a reave character while I was waiting for blade flurry. so same gear, same everything aside from multistrike gem.

sorry, reave loses in almost all instances BUT mid-tier map straight line pure clear speed xp grind with picking up only currency/top tier uniques (ie no stopping/porting), with great gear.

if you run quay all the way to 100 with very good gear, yes reave will clear faster.

its no comparison on any relevant bosses, really. reave was a very meh single target skill even with conc.

blade flurry, I dont even bother swapping conc on for majority of bosses. they melt. badly.

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BacktoHell wrote:

They need to make a skill you just take off and nuke the entire site from orbit, because, 'it's the only way to be sure'.

Well, we don't know if reflect cannot reach orbit, so it would need to be chaos damage !

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sidtherat wrote:

what a surprise.. an overtuned skill is 'fun'. or maybe it is just so strong that it can be used to compensate for lack of other stuff? it can make people 'feel good' about themselves

not that it is pure cheating because anyone can be good with this skill. but it still works

and if Skill A 'has more room' than Skill B then these skills are poorly balanced and playing Skill A will ALWAYS create better results

player's skill, effort, creativity etc means ZERO when Skill B is just plain worse choice

yet somehow players feel good about themselves because their 'creativity' told them, after much 'effort' to 'skillfuly' pick skill A.

+1

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grepman wrote:

I will never understand people promoting clear speed meta. is it really that fun to press one-two buttons and 'win' ?

Yes, for some it is. I returned to PoE earlier this year after a 2 year hiatus, so I remember what it was like to play in a much slower meta. It was necessary to play more tactically, using totems for distraction, self-casting curses, and doing a lot of kiting. However, I didn't think the game was all that mechanically demanding - much of the skill was associated with building a character well. There was also a significantly high barrier to gearing which needed to be overcome through tediousness, not skill (unless one considers the ability to flip effectively as a "skill").

Now, while the gameplay is more "automated", in some ways it takes more skill because certain decisions need to be made within a more narrow time frame given the fast paced nature of the game. I actually enjoy the significantly faster clear speeds a lot more, and I really like the fact that I can earn currency at a much faster rate so that I can buy what I want in a league.

I understand that those that play a lot more than me end up feeling burned out because they accomplish their league goals after a few weeks, but I cannot say that I'm all that sympathetic to their particular needs. I do think the game needs a greater challenge when it comes to the endgame bosses (no build should ever be allowed to just facetank them for instance), but I don't think there's any particular issue with the pace of the game currently.

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sidtherat wrote:

note: this isnt YOUR build. youve copied an exploit from someone. hardly an achievement worth mentioning tbh

Mors created all the builds first , calling any build under the sun " you own " is a lie . Just so you know .


Also yes insane clear speed > all

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skaterboy80 wrote:

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sidtherat wrote:

note: this isnt YOUR build. youve copied an exploit from someone. hardly an achievement worth mentioning tbh

Mors created all the builds first , calling any build under the sun " you own " is a lie . Just so you know .

Just so you know ( because you seem to completely have missed this possibility, which is kinda mind blowing to me ), some people build up their char without trying to look for the best shit on the internet, they have an idea, and just go for it, and actually take pleasure to build a character on their own.

Some people don't need to be assisted for everything and like actually creating stuff.
some other apparently don't.

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Fruz wrote:

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skaterboy80 wrote:

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sidtherat wrote:

note: this isnt YOUR build. youve copied an exploit from someone. hardly an achievement worth mentioning tbh

Mors created all the builds first , calling any build under the sun " you own " is a lie . Just so you know .

Just so you know ( because you seem to completely have missed this possibility, which is kinda mind blowing to me ), some people build up their char without trying to look for the best shit on the internet, they have an idea, and just go for it, and actually take pleasure to build a character on their own.

Some people don't need to be assisted for everything and like actually creating stuff.
some other apparently don't.

You didn't get the joke, Fruz. Mors got it first.

I did read "Mors created the build first" instead of "Mors created all the builds first" to be honest (I guess I need some sleep...), but I'm probably missing a reference anyway.

Also Im getting tired of people just bragging about how game is easy after copy pasting a build and brainlessly using 3 buttons, doesn't help.

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Fruz wrote:

I did read "Mors created the build first" instead of "Mors created all the builds first" to be honest (I guess I need some sleep...), but I'm probably missing a reference anyway.

Also Im getting tired of people just bragging about how game is easy after copy pasting a build and brainlessly using 3 buttons, doesn't help.

Mors bragged about it first. ;-)

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Fruz wrote:

Also Im getting tired of people just bragging about how game is easy after copy pasting a build and brainlessly using 3 buttons, doesn't help.

It's where we all want to be eventually. Not so great when it's achieved at medium levels with cheap gear. Should be more of a Mirror thing.