Nothing wrong with Blade Flurry, it's not OP it just doesn't suck like typical melee

There isn't any confusion, theres you spreading misinformation. Pathfinder as bf, totems as melee etc
my evasion is so high i only insta rip sometimes
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Bug Fixes:
People were using cyclone for actual melee builds, so we nerfed it and made blade vortex. Also, we went ahead and made cyclone great for CoC casters while we were at it.
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Legatus1982 wrote:
There isn't any confusion, theres you spreading misinformation. Pathfinder as bf, totems as melee etc

lol, of course !
So you haven't even checked the profiles heh, no wonder you don't actually know what's what, still you like to pretend you do, that's a bad habit.
SSF is not and will never be a standard for balance, it is not for people entitled to getting more without trading.
Last edited by Fruz#6137 on Dec 7, 2016, 9:16:37 AM
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As for flameblast .... one big problem is the spell totem here, that makes bosses take full charges flameblast while the user is running around, it's .....
And for those particular cases, the sell echo removal was a buff, I don't know what was the state of totems back then, and it was probably not popular.


Totems got some nice buffs since then for some reason.

Also no, the thing is you know what does Elementalists are doing, they just put down a Decoy Totem and charge on it (I'm doing it at least^^).

So the mobility in generic boss fights isn't an issue, because most bosses take more than 4 seconds to kill a decoy totem even without any totem nodes.

I'm even planning on running either Chaos + Fire Golem on my Elementalist or Stone + Fire Golem (if I can get the Dex for Stone, but I should) and use a Harmony jewel, this means I will get a high damage boost (40% for having two golems) and another distraction from a Stone Golem, this means between a decoy totem and a Stone Golem I hardly get attacked.
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Fruz wrote:
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Legatus1982 wrote:
There isn't any confusion, theres you spreading misinformation. Pathfinder as bf, totems as melee etc

lol, of course !
So you haven't even checked the profiles heh, no wonder you don't actually know what's what, still you like to pretend you do, that's a bad habit.


Oh I did check the profiles, you're simply choosing to assume that private pathfinder and slayers are melee as well as including dead characters which is pretty dishonest tbh. And including a guy with a six linked totem and five linked eq as melee as well which I might allow but is kind of pushing it.

And the pathfinder I looked at was private and I seriously doubt is bf. Nugi is bf but I already counted him, he used to be raider. There is 1bf up there, a known streamer who could just as well be playing poe with a white glass shank because of who he is, and the other melee you listed are all private profiles, totems, or dead. You're simply being very dishonest about the numbers and I'm not going to acknowledge this kind of stuff, kind of like saying you do regular mapping with Mark of the doubting knight.
my evasion is so high i only insta rip sometimes
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Bug Fixes:
People were using cyclone for actual melee builds, so we nerfed it and made blade vortex. Also, we went ahead and made cyclone great for CoC casters while we were at it.
Last edited by Legatus1982#1658 on Dec 7, 2016, 12:42:06 PM
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Legatus1982 wrote:
as well as including dead characters which is pretty dishonest tbh.

Yeah, if they're dead, it means they failed in Hardcore. You shouldnt include failed characters.
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MortalKombat3 wrote:
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Legatus1982 wrote:
as well as including dead characters which is pretty dishonest tbh.

Yeah, if they're dead, it means they failed in Hardcore. You shouldnt include failed characters.


Well, if all the dead characters are apparently melee characters, you're really just making my case for me.
my evasion is so high i only insta rip sometimes
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Bug Fixes:
People were using cyclone for actual melee builds, so we nerfed it and made blade vortex. Also, we went ahead and made cyclone great for CoC casters while we were at it.
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Legatus1982 wrote:

Oh I did check the profiles, you're simply choosing to assume that private pathfinder and slayers are melee as well as including dead characters which is pretty dishonest tbh. And including a guy with a six linked totem and five linked eq as melee as well which I might allow but is kind of pushing it.

And the pathfinder I looked at was private and I seriously doubt is bf. Nugi is bf but I already counted him, he used to be raider. There is 1bf up there, a known streamer who could just as well be playing poe with a white glass shank because of who he is, and the other melee you listed are all private profiles, totems, or dead. You're simply being very dishonest about the numbers and I'm not going to acknowledge this kind of stuff, kind of like saying you do regular mapping with Mark of the doubting knight.


So it just is reading comprehension all over again heh !
Anyway, just the "prediction" about support and melee is so far off it's hilarious, the rest is just a bonus.


And a dead character will .... loose its position in the ladder, but will be there for the time being nontheless, that's all there is to it, you've never been able to reach this level, so who are you exactly to criticize ?
right.
Your opinion or whether dead character are part of the ladder or not is completely irrelevant, they are still in the ladder, simple.

And I will requote my simple explanation for PoE beginners, even you will not undestand it I think ( or ignore it because it's not convenient to you, and that you prefer being inconsistent for the sake of trying not to be wrong - which you already obviously are-) :
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Fruz wrote:
It doesn't, he has a point, that everybody has been saying from the start.
It takes some basic common sense to understand it though, so either you don't have it, or you are a troll.

We could classify skill in two ways basically :
1. the gem tags and in game interactions / scaling
2. The literal meaning of words

If the first case, that makes AW and BF melees, as well as EQ and Sunder for example.
In the second, none of those 4 are really melee.

Just in case :
"Melee" literally refers to a crowd of people being very close together, and does somewhat imply the notion of a fight, a very close combat fight.
What interests us here is obviously the notion of close combat.

What is funny, is that you are mixing everything, you thing that BF is melee, but AW totems are not ... for some odd reason, this is very inconsistent.
- Neither of them are actually close combat skills
- Both of them have the 'melee' tag

=> Ancestral Warchief is a GGG "melee" skill, your opinion does not matter in the slightest about this, it is just a fact.


TLDR :
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Fruz wrote:
You're already out here.


SSF is not and will never be a standard for balance, it is not for people entitled to getting more without trading.
Yeah Fruz, I'm sure everyone in the community will agree with you that ancestral fucking warchief is a melee skill. It's honestly unbelievable that anyone has to listen to this kind of trolling.

I guess if zombies scaled off of your weapon damage according to Fruz they would be melee skills too? Rofl.

Hey serious question for you. In D3 a witch doctor can walk around with a dagger, and all of his skills scale off of that dagger's damage. Is the witch doctor a melee character because he is using a dagger? Serious question. Rofl.
my evasion is so high i only insta rip sometimes
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Bug Fixes:
People were using cyclone for actual melee builds, so we nerfed it and made blade vortex. Also, we went ahead and made cyclone great for CoC casters while we were at it.
Last edited by Legatus1982#1658 on Dec 7, 2016, 9:11:26 PM
I don't care about D3, it's completely off-topic.

The fact is, I gave you one of the simplest possible explanation, so either you're trolling big time, or you should spend more time trying to understand such basic concept.

Literal meaning, or gem tag, pick one, that's all there is to it.

PS :
Etup is already back to lvl 81, with BF, with more buffer than before, using :
http://pathofexile.gamepedia.com/Touch_of_Anguish
SSF is not and will never be a standard for balance, it is not for people entitled to getting more without trading.
Last edited by Fruz#6137 on Dec 7, 2016, 10:43:15 PM
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Fruz wrote:

Literal meaning, or gem tag, pick one, that's all there is to it.

We'll just ignore the part where you're summoning a totem right? And only the gem tag or the range of the skill is what matters? You can be a summoner and still be a melee build?

What is a fucking zombie Fruz? This is the simplest shit I can possibly imagine.

There is an ENTIRE ARCHETYPE OF DIFFERENCE.

This makes you unqualified to be posting on balance issues tbh.
my evasion is so high i only insta rip sometimes
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Bug Fixes:
People were using cyclone for actual melee builds, so we nerfed it and made blade vortex. Also, we went ahead and made cyclone great for CoC casters while we were at it.
Last edited by Legatus1982#1658 on Dec 7, 2016, 10:57:22 PM

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