[2.6] SignalShot™ CI Full Ele Conversion TS/Barrage / Shaper & Uber Deathless / with video!

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_Saranghaeyo_ wrote:

For the record, Janus's evaluation of pricing is pretty on point. I kind of make a reference to that, since temp league pricing can definitely look a lot different than in Standard.

Like this ring:

2 Exalted in Essence League Week 1 ish (I modded and Divined later), way more than that in Standard today. Not as gg as his ring but does the job well, yet if I were to roll that into the cost of my build I'm certainly not going to say it's a 2 Ex ring in Standard terms

Just curious how much you would value that ring for on standard?

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Nephalim wrote:

Seems like a huge gap between 70 and 600. What is the dps if you slapped on brood twine onto the 70 ex build?

Path of Building shows 275K DPS with example gear, but Brood Twine instead of the random Harbinger. That's still with 300 ES gloves, legacy vinktar and then 84% chance to hit though ^^

Assuming you dont have a +1 arrow Signal but you do have a +2 barrage helm, we'd be at like 2.48 million DPS for like 400 ex then. I would not prefer that over my gear though because the accuracy is gonna kill you.


About that really nice Diamond Ring two posts above, I am sure you can get close to 100 ex for that.

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Janus171 wrote:

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Nephalim wrote:

Seems like a huge gap between 70 and 600. What is the dps if you slapped on brood twine onto the 70 ex build?

Path of Building shows 275K DPS with example gear, but Brood Twine instead of the random Harbinger. That's still with 300 ES gloves, legacy vinktar and then 84% chance to hit though ^^

Assuming you dont have a +1 arrow Signal but you do have a +2 barrage helm, we'd be at like 2.48 million DPS for like 400 ex then. I would not prefer that over my gear though because the accuracy is gonna kill you.

Is there a certain threshold where the performance vs cost ratio is ideal? Given 300 exalts, what is the most dps you can get while still having 88% accuracy and 9000 or more ES?

I'm mostly asking if brood twine is a worthwhile net gain at the 300-400 exalt threshold.

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Nephalim wrote:

Is there a certain threshold where the performance vs cost ratio is ideal? Given 300 exalts, what is the most dps you can get while still having 88% accuracy and 9000 or more ES?

I'm mostly asking if brood twine is a worthwhile net gain at the 300-400 exalt threshold.

Personally if I wanted to build up this with highest possible cost effectiveness, I would
- get Glyph Mark for ~200 ex (40 less pDPS result in 23K per arrow with the example gear, 252K showing in PoB) and Skyforths
- get decent jewelry like (in my sales tab if you want that) and a helm like as well as an ammy with phys, WED and multi which most likely also cost 50 ex (nonlegacy multi).
- save on belt and gloves, there is also an option to run Maligaros with Ele Weakness or so.
- save on jewels, 4 damage slot jewels will cost you a kidney.

Overall in my opinion with a budget of 500 ex you're most likely looking at 3 million DPS roughly. The biggest downside for me is the lack of ES, 10K is nice but if you misplay or miss the barrage shots, you're dead. Especially annoying is the Chimera cause you lack a good move skill. Maybe taking Decoy Totem in would help.

in the screenshot he showed at level 95 he had 322 dex

322 x 2 = 644 acc.

Brood twine has 154 acc
gloves has 22 acc

base accuracy = level x2 -2
95x2 -2 = 188 acc

total base acc:
644 + 188 + 154 + 22 = 1008

the build with proposed skill tree in OP has 40% increase accuracy, 30% from golem, a total of 70%. definitely lackluster.

the build in its final form (his public character) has 116% increased accuracy with golem counted.
1008 x 2.16 = 2177 accuracy

As far as I can tell, 2177 accuracy will be barely good enough for endgame. However if you use just 1 accuracy gear, for example 1 helm or ring with 300+ accuracy then that will be enough to solve about any problem with hit chance.

I'm just pointing out that maybe the skill tree section and gear section should be updated to include accuracy information, because it can cause confusion for players that don't have experience with such matters.

If possible, you want about 3000 accuracy total. I get to 3620 in my build including Golem, which mostly dies instantly to bosses. But that leaves me with enough (3040) to fall back on.

I absolutely love how janus completely ignores my post discrediting his points in regard to currency investment. Referring to the "need mirrored gear/legacy to make viable" post. Literally not a word. Ouch Janus.

Now he/she claiming "alternate facts" and trying to mirror service a ring for this build without accuracy. Which he/she is claiming is an important stat for this build in his/her very own posts. Nice! "Oh it gives me 31k more dps!" WOW obvious agenda is obvious there.

Janus, you can spin the build investment to fit your narrative. Early temp league, cost is low, price it in standard (which you're doing to inflate costs) and it seems high. Is it a cheap build? No, by no means. Do you need these inflated ex totals to kill shaper and down any content in the game? Absolutely not.

There's is a very famous quote "Stats can be manipulated to fit any narrative". This is exactly what Janus is attempting to do.

I've linked enough proof to discredit this already, which he/she hasn't even commented on, yet writes a blog post using inflated standard pricing/items to fit his/her narrative.

I get nothing from people playing this build. I make zero money, exalts, kickbacks. Nothing. I actively DISSUADE newer players from trying this on my very own stream.

Time and time again, and go OUT of my way to mention the initial cost. Try me and Ill go through and clip at-least 15 separate occasions of this within the past month alone.

"Hey I have 200c would this build work?" "Hey can i do this as a league starter" etc. Always say no, and actively explain how this isn't cheap/newer player friendly. How dare you say I'm "luring people in to play a shit char" and how "I'm misleading them". This is incredibly out of line.

I'm beginning to see that you might be allowing your vitriol towards a few guildmates of mine bleed into your dislike of this build. You can deny it all you want, but it's quite ironic you have been actively trying to discredit this build for months (but eagerly posting mirror service ads). A build that has two people you openly dislike involved in it. Could there be a slight personal bias involved at this point? Hm? Food for thought.

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habeo wrote:

in the screenshot he showed at level 95 he had 322 dex

322 x 2 = 644 acc.

Brood twine has 154 acc
gloves has 22 acc

base accuracy = level x2 -2
95x2 -2 = 188 acc

total base acc:
644 + 188 + 154 + 22 = 1008

the build with proposed skill tree in OP has 40% increase accuracy, 30% from golem, a total of 70%. definitely lackluster.

the build in its final form (his public character) has 116% increased accuracy with golem counted.
1008 x 2.16 = 2177 accuracy

As far as I can tell, 2177 accuracy will be barely good enough for endgame. However if you use just 1 accuracy gear, for example 1 helm or ring with 300+ accuracy then that will be enough to solve about any problem with hit chance.

I'm just pointing out that maybe the skill tree section and gear section should be updated to include accuracy information, because it can cause confusion for players that don't have experience with such matters.

My public tree should not be viewed as anything but my own personal variant and nothing more. The ones provided within the guide is what should be used.

I regularly change my own personal tree to test and minmax content I might be running that specific day. HoGM vs something like.. general mapping for example.

I agree with you in-regard with mentioning accuracy on gear/jewels and potentially tree (passive point strapped, trying to get depth perception is tough to recommend) and I'll update that when time permits.

Cheers!

Ok OP, about mirroring my ring: Did I mention a fee? No. I mentioned my ring twice on 150+ pages. Are you ok with that or do I need your permission? Before talking a lot of utter bullshit about my intention or whatever you think, how about you explain why your 'example gear' is absolutely not fitting to the build and makes people think you can play this with a budget? How about you look at the numbers? I did not manipulate ANYTHING of these, anyone can recreate these and you are a jerk for saying they are manipulated to a certain narrative. CHECK THE DAMN NUMBERS.

About what I think about your guild: A short look at the link in my signature shows why I think your guild officer is a scamming PoS, and I dont want to deal with people who use similar methods, abuse others or scam, cheat or just are friends with such a person.

The way how you presented this 'build guide' also speaks for itself, same as the many posts of people who have no idea how to reach a reasonable DPS.

Btw: Also I said about the build: "It can be very powerful with good gear but a total waste without." I even PLAY this build. I also said it's fun. So I guess you are either too narrow minded or stupid to understand my point.

I'm out of this now.

Take care

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Janus171 wrote:

Ok OP, about mirroring my ring: Did I mention a fee? Before talking a lot of utter bullshit about my intention or whatever you think, how about you explain why your 'example gear' is absolutely not fitting to the build and makes people think you can play this with a budget? How about you look at the numbers? I did not manipulate ANYTHING of these, anyone can recreate these and you are a jerk for saying it looks like I did.

About what I think about your guild: A short look at the link in my signature shows why I think your guild officer is a scamming PoS, and I dont want to deal with people who use similar methods, abuse others or scam, cheat or just are friends with such a person.

The way how you presented this 'build guide' also speaks for itself, same as the many posts of people who have no idea how to reach a reasonable DPS.

Btw: Also I said about the build: "It can be very powerful with good gear but a total waste without." I even PLAY this build. I also said it's fun. So I guess you are either too narrow minded or stupid to understand my point.

I'm out of this now.

Take care

So still no answer to this and my reply with breach shaper 3 min kills and guardian runs.

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Janus171 wrote:

Oh... I thought the gear linked as example gear on page 1 is fine. But that doesn't have any accuracy on it... weird.

Wait....

Let me think...

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OH MY GOD please don't tell us you cheated on us with mirrored gear runs to show off!!! And lead all those averagely rich people think they can play this 'build' without investing 500+ ex first... I can't believe this...

Your intentions are obvious in linking a mirror service ad, where to go and provide thread ID and mentioning how it works well this build. You're looking for sales. If you're trying to say otherwise, then what were your intentions?

You now have confirmed my suspicions of bias in-regards to even being remotely associated with rayman, you'll have a negative impression of them. This easily can explain your personal crusade and bias for this build since it's inception due to the the OP being in the same guild. Using another guildmate's mirrorable bow as well.

You mention it numerous times how "this is a broodtwine showcase" while people are downing shaper with 280 dps bows and ROTC's in near identical times in Breach. Do I need to link the proof yet again?

It all now makes sense. The exalt totals inflated for standard to fit your narrative. All of it.


Thank you for confirming my initial thoughts. Also thank for referring to me as "stupid" and talking "utter bullshit". Well spoken and eloquently stated with class.

I'll end with a very apt quote

"A person's true colors will always show within time. You may be fooled for the moment, but be patient and see what happens".


Take care friend.