[2.6] SignalShot™ CI Full Ele Conversion TS/Barrage / Shaper & Uber Deathless / with video!

Ok, that's probably the reason why I generally struggle with bosses.

How does one get a this high accuracy rating? Through jewels? any special nodes?

Maybe this should be pointed out in the Guide.

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Hirogen wrote:

Ok, that's probably the reason why I generally struggle with bosses.

How does one get a this high accuracy rating? Through jewels? any special nodes?

Maybe this should be pointed out in the Guide.

unfortunately the most efficient way to get accuracy is to get +accuracy from items. passive tree nodes dont help much if oyu dont have + accuracy from your items. the passive tree nodes only "increase" the already existing accuracy pool. while having a small pool of accuracy, any %increase is worthless. try to get accuracy from your gloves, helmet, rings, amulet. it's a suffix roll.

why signalshot has to struggle hard to get good accuracy compared to life base bow builds?

the main source of accuracy is dexterity and this build is based on ES items and walking around witch area, it doesnt have much dexterity.

Thanks for the info ;D

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if Chin Sol outperforms a 360 pDPS, then why tell the guy with Merciless/Flaring Bow (~450 pDPS) that he should replace it?

what? ha? please show me where i did that. what i remember was the g uy had 350-400 pdps weapon without crit on it. and no open suffixes prefixes(or crit chance was ruined with 11% roll or sth like that) and i told him to replace it with chin sol.

if i had done what you say, we can have a good laugh together about me. all good.

besides, i feel like i helped a lot of people in this guide, i dont find it fair, that people try to bash me because of one instance of what i did in 154 page conversation. (its not even sure i said "use chin sol over 450 pdps weapon" doesnt sound realistic to me, but let's see)

personal matters:

Ok since there is some misleading information, or if you want alternative facts as it's called today, let's show you guys some numbers of the Barrage DPS and a conclusion about the build.


First part: Tree and gear used in comparison





Second part: Tooltip numbers and Comparison with Path of Building

All numbers can be checked in this album: http://imgur.com/a/iwM8K









Ok, so as we see, Path of Building Calculations are pretty close to our actual damage AND has the huge advantage of calculating in the use of a Diamond Flask.
!! From here on I'll be using the Path of Building numbers to give you some comparisons!!


Third part, let's now see the effect of the gear on the DPS of this build.

All following numbers are Path of Building calculations. Let's now see the sustainable DPS against big bosses (Guardians, Shaper), which is basically the most interesting thing.
Settings checked: Using Power Charges and Resists of 40/40/40 elemental and 25 chaos resist like T16 bosses and Shaper have, Enemy is Shocked due to Vinktar as well as all flasks checked in item tab. Flasks are the same as in my gear above unless noted.

My gear setup as above: 267K damage x 10 arrows = 2.67 million DPS


Mirrored gear set up: 392.2K damage x 10 arrows = 3.92 million DPS
This means changing the bow to Brood Twine, amulet to Vengeance Collar (mirrored with WED, phys, multi, accuracy etc). Other slots stay the same. Note: Changing Vessel of Vinktar to a penetration variant gives 1K more DPS per arrow, 10K more in total. In all other setups an attack Vinktar with nice rolls is BETTER!


My gear set up with a top rolled legacy RotC: 180.9K damage x 10 arrows = 1.81 million DPS
As you can see, this is a huge drop compared to my Harbinger setup. Also the crit chance went down to 66%. The use of the Increased Critical Strike Chance instead of Physical Projectile gem brings it up to 83% again, but will lose us another 16K per arrow (164K DPS per arrow then).


My gear set up with a top rolled nonlegacy RotC: 149.8K damage x 10 arrows = 1.5 million DPS
As you can see, this is a another drop. The use of the Increased Critical Strike Chance instead of Physical Projectile gem brings crit up to 83% again while dropping DPS to 137K per arrow.
Keep in mind, we're still running gear for 500+ ex in jewelry, +1 arrow quiver, legacy crit multi ammy and so on.


Example gear setup from page 1 127.5K damage x 9 arrows = 1.15 million DPS
So, this already includes a +2 Barrage Hubris with 400 ES, gloves with almost 300 ES and attack speed plus decent jewelry with a legacy crit multi; but no +1 arrow Signal Fire.
DPS went down to 1.15 million, which looks nice at first, but hit chance is 81%. This is less than a 30% of the DPS that you get with mirrored gear, while constantly dying due to not hitting enemies and therefore having no leech. Removing Atziri's Promis for a Quicksilver will lose another 26K per arrow, leaving only 101K DPS per arrow.
You're still looking at gear worth quite a bit, and with worse gear, no +2 Barrage helm, no +1 arrow Signal Fire you will most likely look at about 50K tooltip x 7 arrows = 350K DPS, less than 10% of the mirrored gear variant.



Last part: Conclusion

I hope you guys have some insights now why this build is extremely gear dependent and impossible to run without some heavy investment. What annoys me in this thread is that certain people act like this build can rule the world and dont mention the flaws of it. It is absolutely NOT noob friendly and not having accuracy on gear will completely fuck you up. It can be very powerful with good gear but a total waste without.


Thanks for reading

Janus


Note: My Tempest Eye Opal Ring adds 31K DPS for my build, in case you want to mirror it let me know ;-)

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Janus171 wrote:

Ok since there is some misleading information, or if you want alternative facts as it's called today, let's show you guys some numbers of the Barrage DPS and a conclusion about the build.

Thank you for that analysis.

Your gear is absolutely freaking insane and as a baseline has twice as much dps as what is shown on the page. What would you say is the total cost of it?

What is the cost of the build on page 1 and finally what is the cost of your build + brood twin and the mirrored amulet so we can get a cost vs dps baseline.

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Nephalim wrote:

Thank you for that analysis.

Your gear is absolutely freaking insane and as a baseline has twice as much dps as what is shown on the page. What would you say is the total cost of it?

What is the cost of the build on page 1 and finally what is the cost of your build + brood twin and the mirrored amulet so we can get a cost vs dps baseline.

As a cost breakdown:
- My gear: 120 ex for the bow, 40 ex quiver, 30 ex helm, 100 ex for a similar ammy, 30 ex Skyforths, 3 ex Belt, 7 ex gloves, 60 ex for the flasks. I would guess you can get two good rings for 100 ex each too, even though mine were a lot more expensive and selfcrafted. I doubt there is a better ring than my Tempest Eye though for this build. Overall, including decent jewels, we're probably in the region of about 600 ex roughly.

- If you replace my bow by Brood Twine and the ammy by Vengeance Collar, you're most likely around 1K exas.

- The example gear posted might be around 70 ex, but I could have guessed that wrong without those insane gloves though (but with 6L Bow and 6L chest, plus nonlegacy flasks, decent helm, jewelry with legacy multi etc).

All these are standard values!


As a general hint, you REALLY need:
- a very good bow. IMO RotC is shit for this build, you want a 400+ pDPS Harbinger.
- gear with ES, resists and accuracy. This is gonna be expensive as fuck!
- next problem is the +2 barrage helm with 400+ ES (~30+ ex) and +1 arrow Signal Fire (~35-40 ex) which make 30% of your build's DPS by the 3 arrows they add
- flask-wise you can run nonlegacy Vinktar, nonlegacy ToH, Dying Sun, Atziri Flask and Diamond Flask, that should only cost you like 10 ex.


IMO this can be played life-based too, I might try that soon if it works.



Edit: Corrected values.

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Janus171 wrote:

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Nephalim wrote:

Thank you for that analysis.

Your gear is absolutely freaking insane and as a baseline has twice as much dps as what is shown on the page. What would you say is the total cost of it?

What is the cost of the build on page 1 and finally what is the cost of your build + brood twin and the mirrored amulet so we can get a cost vs dps baseline.

As a cost breakdown:
- My gear: 120 ex for the bow, 40 ex quiver, 30 ex helm, 100 ex for a similar ammy, 30 ex Skyforths, 3 ex Belt, 7 ex gloves, 60 ex for the flasks. I would guess you can get two good rings for 100 ex each too, even though mine were a lot more expensive and selfcrafted. I doubt there is a better ring than my Tempest Eye though for this build. Overall, including decent jewels, we're probably in the region of about 600 ex roughly.

- If you replace my bow by Brood Twine and the ammy by Vengeance Collar, you're most likely around 1K exas.

- The example gear posted might be around 70 ex, but I could have guessed that wrong without those insane gloves though (but with 6L Bow and 6L chest, plus nonlegacy flasks, decent helm, jewelry with legacy multi etc).

All these are standard values!


As a general hint, you REALLY need:
- a very good bow. IMO RotC is shit for this build, you want a 400+ pDPS Harbinger.
- gear with ES, resists and accuracy. This is gonna be expensive as fuck!
- next problem is the +2 barrage helm with 400+ ES (~30+ ex) and +1 arrow Signal Fire (~35-40 ex) which make 30% of your build's DPS by the 3 arrows they add
- flask-wise you can run nonlegacy Vinktar, nonlegacy ToH, Dying Sun, Atziri Flask and Diamond Flask, that should only cost you like 10 ex.


IMO this can be played life-based too, I might try that soon if it works.



Edit: Corrected values.

so 70 exalt = 1 million dps
600 exalt = 2 million dps
1000 exalt = 4 million dps

Is this a fair estimate?

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Rupenus wrote:

you wanna make a gg guide?

its possible to make a immortal life barrage build with zerphi + mom and damage taken gained as mana% rings. you just gotta use mana multiplier jewel. your dps would drop but you'd definitely be immortal during zerphi time which is like forever.

Why would I want that? I just dislike how certain people here give others misleading information and thus luring them into playing shit chars because they expect something different.

And if that wasn't clear enough, yes, by different I mean better. This is a Brood Twine promo thread, not much more. With gear for 1K+ ex you should faceroll content. And yet there are faster bosskillers that cost a fraction of this, and safer builds too. The clearspeed is good with good gear, and it's fun to play, thats for sure. It's just not a build you can run without investing a lot of currency.

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Nephalim wrote:

so 70 exalt = 1 million dps
600 exalt = 2 million dps
1000 exalt = 4 million dps

Is this a fair estimate?

Probably yes, most likely 70 ex is still too low given two 6-Links, a decent Harb, Skyforths and high ES gear. It only shines with investment.
A build with a million DPS and merely 9K ES then is nothing special for 70 ex, but ofc some people here will say I am totally wrong ^^ but then I would rather run Blade Vortex or Flameblast for a lot less.

Seems like a huge gap between 70 and 600. What is the dps if you slapped on brood twine onto the 70 ex build?