[2.6] THE NEW FAKENER | DISCHARGE | SUPER FAST STRANDS | Cospris Malice | 9k+ ES | STILL GREAT AOE

SHAPER DOWN (post 2.5.1)

http://imgur.com/a/ULNfx

(pictured is my friend who chanced a Skyforth's just five minutes before, damn, I'd rather that happen.)

Combinations tried:

[Cospri's + LL + Conc Effect] - failed, steady leech but not enough damage, will die to about 30 vortexes even if you dodge everything.
[Warlord + Eleweakness + Blasphemy] - failed
[Double Vinktar's] - failed, uptime is minor and functions as a life pot rather than damage boost.

The final set-up and tweaks I made to bring him down was:

Full damage Cospri's: Discharge + Conc Effect + Controlled Destruction
Purity of Ice + Discipline + Enfeeble (Blasphemy)
CWDT: Warlord's
TRIPLE extended duration Diamond Flasks - Crucial
Surgeon's Sapphire Flask of Heat - I had a legacy one, which is nice, but will work with a 20% one.
Ancestral Protector totem (free +18% more attack speed).

MY GEAR:

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(gloves and boots self-crafted, whew!)

The biggest tweak I made was to run with triple diamond flasks. Our usual flasks are more for mapping and situational circumstances. Shaper doesn't inflict burn/bleed and doesn't melee for a LOT per se, so you can even drop basalt.

Diamond flasks patch up for the erratic 'dips' in our DPS where we have less than 6 charges rolling. What you get is severely increased damage output - you generate more charges, and all the discharges are almost guaranteed to crit, finally making use of the heavily-stacked multiplier thing we got going.

Purity of Ice and Flask up mean 40% less cold damage compared to just a 75% capped char. Paired with Enfeeble, you're able to tank incidental damage handily and maintain much more DPS time on Shaper. It also helps with facetanking the Uncreated and the Unshaped.

Do note I'm running Whispers of Doom (+1 curse) and Alchemist notable (Intuitive Leap at north side) so my set-up may vary a little bit from yours.

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Anbokr wrote:

Yeah, that's why I think spell damage on shield is especially important too. I got lucky and nabbed this shield with over 40% inc spell damage and 450 ES for less than 50c -- refuse to upgrade to a 500+ ES shield just because I'll never be able to get similar levels of spell damage lol.

Damn, the secret sauce is out! Changed around some jewels yesterday and they are SO much cheaper.

@maddognils

You still haven't said anything about if Skyforth is useful or not as Fakener.

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Alkaizerx23 wrote:

@maddognils

You still haven't said anything about if Skyforth is useful or not as Fakener.

Why would it be? You shield charge into a pack and get max power charges anyway. There is nothing that Skyforth does that would benefit this build.

Death's door is BiS because of +1 endurance charges, bleed immunity, all res and movement speed.

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ClickHitBoom wrote:

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Alkaizerx23 wrote:

@maddognils

You still haven't said anything about if Skyforth is useful or not as Fakener.

Why would it be? You shield charge into a pack and get max power charges anyway. There is nothing that Skyforth does that would benefit this build.

Death's door is BiS because of +1 endurance charges, bleed immunity, all res and movement speed.

Skyforth would actually relieve some pressure off having to land a good Elreon craft and allow you to move one passive point around due to mana reservation. It also could be BiS for Shaper and some guardians due to charge generation (but not Uber Atziri or Chimera due to bleed).

The mana won't do much as Voll's would cut even a 120 into half (60), but that adds a nice stun buffer and wiggle room for a build that is so mana hungry.

I wouldn't immediately say Death's Door is BiS as opposed to say, a well-rolled rare. One endurance charge doesn't matter on fights that matter because you may not consistently hit the charge cap. It's certainly a great item with nice utility, but so is Skyforth's.

While I no longer play a discharger, I had immense amounts of fun while I did previously (in the essence league).

The cost of a Skyforth would definitely be far higher than a well-crafted Elreon ring (I'm not sure about Standard, since it's been a while since I last touched it). I believe I crafted two stellar Elreon diamond rings (ES + ES % + good resists) and I don't remember spending more than 12-13 exalts to craft (including divining them).

Is Skyforth bad? Certainly not. I believe the author of this build mentioned much earlier in this thread that it's certainly fine if you can afford it. However, it does not shine as much as within other "meta" builds out there as compared to within the Cospri's Discharge build.

As for "Best in Slot", it's a tough call. What's the objective / situation / circumstance?

1v1 boss fighting prowess? I would actually lean to a really high ES boots but that's my personal preference.

General map clearing / Uber lab? Death's Door would be my pick. Once again, personal preference / opinion.

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Just like the corruption implicit on the Voll's Devotion, there are various views on which is "best". I love the +1 max resists or attack speed implicits, some prefer their lightning / fire leech while some others prefer doing a dual curse with +1 curse.

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Personally for myself? I just stuck with Death's Door since I found it to be the best all-rounder (for the boots slot).

In the end, do experiment with the various options (assuming you have them on hand) and see what fits your play-style best. The build is flexible in options in certain gear slots (belt / boots for example). =)

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SADleem wrote:

In the end, do experiment with the various options (assuming you have them on hand) and see what fits your play-style best. The build is flexible in options in certain gear slots (belt / boots for example). =)

Highly agree here! For me, the build plows through whatever mobs I run into even if I don't wear boots, so the boot slot is more situational.

Of course, let me get a Skyforth first and see if DPS really goes up a ton :)

Hmm - since you're a veteran - do you think the absolute best setup could be from getting tons of Acc on gear, enough to drop Additional Acc, then running a trigger on top of Discharge? EK/BV for example.

1200 Acc from gear (a 20/20 add acc gem) doesn't seem too hard to get - and actually with Ice Golem and some nodes, even 1000 would do.

How do you actually deal with single target ( bosses mostly )?

I'm having trouble at this point. I do can maps, only tried up to t8 because.. bosses.. and I can't seem to be able to do bosses THAT well.


So, what do people do for single target mostly?

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what I mean is what items make this build great against single target since my aoe is already good?

You are missing the helmet enchantment which is making your discharges really bad since they don't have enough charges. Pony up for a helmet with the 30% chance for discharge not to consume charges enchantment or drop the discharge in the chest and recolor your voll's so you can use blade vortex instead (4g1b1x).

cyclone + blade vortex + increased crit + additional acc + CoC + (fortify or PCoC)

You're also going to want to get the leech enchantment on your death's door so you don't have to fuck around with thrill kill in the tree or life leech gems. Running good jewels with the nodes you save will help too.

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supremePINEAPPLE wrote:

You are missing the helmet enchantment which is making your discharges really bad since they don't have enough charges. Pony up for a helmet with the 30% chance for discharge not to consume charges enchantment or drop the discharge in the chest and recolor your voll's so you can use blade vortex instead (4g1b1x).

cyclone + blade vortex + increased crit + additional acc + CoC + (fortify or PCoC)

You're also going to want to get the leech enchantment on your death's door so you don't have to fuck around with thrill kill in the tree or life leech gems. Running good jewels with the nodes you save will help too.

Oh, I thought the boots would be better with the a-speed enchantment.

Alright, so my next buy is gonna be a helm with the discharge enchantment. Until then, i guess ill try your advice and switch around!

thanks