[2.6] THE NEW FAKENER | DISCHARGE | SUPER FAST STRANDS | Cospris Malice | 9k+ ES | STILL GREAT AOE

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CummingBullYoloSweg wrote:

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sampee wrote:

Ill give some pcoc dps values assuming you are discharging 10 times per sec with 7/6 possible charges. We have to make some assumptions to simplify this:
1. We are at 6/6 charges when we don't have extra charge from pcoc gem, becouse otherwise the charge would be useless in some cases since you would be 7/6 charges anyways.
2. Endurance and power does same damage (which isnt true, lvl 20 discharge does 275.5 per endu and 310 per power)
3. We are fighting over 5 seconds so that we have 10 stacks of blade vortex.
4. We don't account the extra crit chance and mult you would get as an assassin since that would make the math too complex for simple example like this.

So in total we discharged (6+6)*10=120 charges without accounting pcoc gem.

Level 20 Power charge on crit gem has 54% chance to give a charge so we get 0.54*10 = 5.4 power charges on average from the gem with 10 blade vortex stacks. We clicked couple of times cyclone during that time span so lets be optimistic and say we got 1.6 charges from those cyclones to make a nice round number.

So now we have 5.4+1.6=7 extra charges from the pcoc gem. That leads to a 7/120 more damage. Thats about 6%.

So all in all I would say the gem is not worth to use. In general mapping you never have max stacks anyways (more like 1-3). So the damage increase is nonexistent in those cases. Also in some cases you would discharge anyways with max charges so the extra charge wouldn't give you anything.

I know the 6/6 charges 10 times per second is an assumption but where are they coming from? I assume the charges are generated by voll's protector which has a 100% to give a PC on crit, and pcoc is about half of that so it increases our PC generation by 50% if I'm not wrong (I know the pcoc is not affecting discharge but that doesn't play that big of a role) and I don't think we need any complicated calculations to prove my statement.

Also pcoc is helping us get to those max charges quicker. If you got 10 stacks of BV you had to crit atleast 10 times with cyclone and 10*0.54=5.4 so idk where you got 1.6 from cyclone.

Also if you're only counting that many hits its not fair to assume we're discharging with 6/6 charges because we can't just pull them out of our ass, we have to generate them somehow and if pcoc supposedly generated 7 charges then voll's portector with double the chance to generate a pc would have generated 14 not 120.
Also I'm sorry to say this but your math is not correct.

Correct Math:
Let's not factor in our power/end charge cap to make this simpler (We rarely even reach max charges anyway)
From your assumption we crit 10times with cyclone=10 pc
10 stacks of BV= 10pc
Discharge goes off 10 times=10
Total generated from Voll's protector=30
cyclone (pcoc)- 10*5.4=5.4
BV (pcoc)- 10*5.4=5.4
Total generated from pcoc=10.8

So Roughly 33% dmg increase

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PaigrandeTV wrote:

aah ok :) so i cant have any other element damagage besides cold on any other gear piece or else it makes my damage crap?having hard time getting needed dex :D hard to get good cloves and rings

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sampee wrote:

Look up how pcoc gem works. It gives power charge PER CAST so if you click your cyclone to the other side of the screen you will get maximum number of 1 power charge from that cast. I assumed that in that 1sec time span you clicked your cyclone couple of times thus generating ~1.6 charges.

And also I admit I was wrong about that calculation since ofc those pcharges will convert to endus... Now we got 7*2 extra charges gained during the time span. So we get 14/110 more dmg. Which results to ~13%more dmg. That sounds acceptable.

Same with your formula (which is for pure singletarget dps while mine is for maximum potential dps which requires more than 1 target)
we crit 10times with cyclone=10 pc
10 stacks of BV= 10pc
Discharge goes off 10 times=10
Total generated from Voll's protector=30
cyclone (pcoc)- ~1.6
BV (pcoc)- 10*5.4=5.4
Total generated from pcoc ~ 7

that results to 7/30 more dmg for singletarget which is ~23%. That's pretty solid.

I also note that in my calculations I assumed that we have 7/6 max charges and we discharge with 6/5 (total of 110 charges used in 1sec) unless we have those two extra charges from pcoc gem. I know this is not accurate but this should give us a good estimation.

Also in my opinion 7/6 charges is way too many anyways since singletarget is the thing you should be focusing on. With 5aps cyclone we are discharging 74 charges per second, thus 7,4 charges on average per discharge. I know if you have too little possible charges you will lose charges sometimes since you dont have space for those. But 5/5 charges and spending those extra points on dps/surv nodes will give better results.

Btw inc duration (20/20 is 74% inc duration) generates similar amount of charges than pcoc so should note that in the guide for alternative links :) And for pathfinder it is even better since you will get more flask charges becouse of more bv stacks.

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Mistletoes wrote:

What about the loss of the Additional Accuracy gem if we're going to use Inc. Duration? Worth dropping it for Inc. Duration?

Assuming Pathfinder and we go Cyclone - CoC - BV - Inc. Crit Strikes - PCoC - Inc. Duration?

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PaigrandeTV wrote:

So cold damage on weapon dosnt work,i still need it on cloves or ring?