[outdated] King of the Forest (Crit version)

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netwarriorbg wrote:

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Deriul wrote:

You guys are doing something wrong I guess. I was running t12-t13 with really shitty mods (p.reflect + unlucky avoidance + lots of damage) at 80lvl using this build and had no problems. Overall budget was less than 5ex (reach was around 3ex but, honestly, you can go without it) and my gear is far from being good.

up to t14 inclusive it is all fun and giggles, t15 bosses are UNDOABLE with this squishy build, unless you invest 1000 exalts

Well, whatever. It's pretty obvious that there is absolutely no difference between t1-t15 maps and bosses, they are all terribly easy in virtually every build. So trying to convince me that there is a huge gap at t15 sounds naive...

Oh, I see. 3 life flasks, no uber lab, no mana leech. Yea dude, this build is crap lol.

ADDED: yea, also no ignite/chill/bleed remove on flasks

Is there any room for a herald of ice curse on hit setup and/or vinktars?

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Mordrigar wrote:

Hello!

I have been playing with this build but I have some problems.

1st: Until I got Reach, levelling was nearly impossible with archery style. I used The Tempest (both fated and primary version) for levelling, then changed into Death's for multiple projectiles but it lacks DPS. But after I get reach, it became easier.

2nd: Life! Life is a big issue for me. I'm at level 80, have decent (I think?) gear but I'm just below 4K health. It supposed to be 5K but without investing 2~3 ex's it seems impossible to get +2K life.
I don't know how can I handle this.

3rd: Barrage is a big question mark for me. LA looks and feels better for both single and AOE damage. So, why do I need Barrage? I'm currently levelling my gems, none of them are 20 level / and 20 quality (Except few. LA and Blink Arrow are both 20Q) but will level 20/quality 20 change this?

4th: I thought evasion is kinda cool before I started using this build; but it seems it has no effect. I got punched in every breach when I stuck. Also because of that low-life problem, sometimes I can not cast Blink Arrow and got stunned = Insta death. Do I have to actively dodge every enemy attack?

5th: What would 5-Link Culling Strike setup be like? LA - Culling Strike - Added Chaos - Increased Crit Strike - Pierce or Slower Projectile?

Also, Is 20 quality Pierce must have? I don't have that one either.
I think you should add 20 quality gem priority section to your build. It really confuses me because of diminishing returns and everchanging market prices. For example, should I go for 20 quality barrage, added chaos or piercing at first place?

I didn't try any maps above T11. My last T11 run was 5/10 because monsters were immune to taunt so decoy totem didn't help. It was me vs Boss at the end an he killed me. I don't know how to handle this kind of situations.

Also, here is my character. Currently level 80 assassin. "ImamHatiplerKapatilsin"

Can you check my items and give me few tips?

https://www.pathofexile.com/account/view-profile/Mordrigar/characters

Thanks!

2. If in the passive tree you went for all the nodes on the right side first then you'll be hitting some major extra hitpoints soon enough, because left side is nearly only that. Although I wouldn't be so eager to believe in "6k+ easily achievable", cause I just crossed that 6k mark at 92 and my gear is pretty lit.

3. Barrage is great but you have to get used to it. Later on, when you'll encounter some higher tier bosses, trying to kill them with LA will become a painful experience. And the reason is pretty simple: they hit hard -> you don't want fight to take long. LA's single projectile damage is not THAT big and shooting anyone with more than one with all these additional projectiles is just impossible, unless in melee range. You could obviously try that and then wait forever to poison finish them, or you could just unload your entire barrage just in front of them and see the melt.

4. Yea, I have the same feeling. High evasion along with Acrobatics node kind of trick you into thinking then you'll dodge nearly everything, meanwhile you're gonna get hit quite a lot. I'd say evasion rating is not really reliable source of defense now, so you just have to remember that is not a tank build, and you have to dodge manually - MOST of the time.

5. Quality on every skill gem connected to LA and Barrage is important, so you have to slowly make your way towards all of them. As for order I'd say - 2x Added Chaos Damage -> everything else -> Lightning Arrow. LA's quality add a chance to shock, which I didn't even notice.

As for your character:
Change your flasks. You will need Diamond, Silver and one instant recovery life now. Look for Experimenter's and Surgeon's prefixes on them. Also, obviously make sure to cover freeze and chill immune, but no on a man flask - you definitely shouldn't need one anymore at this point.

+1 Arrow on Drillneck is huge. Probably my recommendation for the next big item for you to buy.

Make your way towards your first 6-link, but in the meantime you may consider buying more LA damage enchanted Devoto's cause they are pretty cheap and 40% on your main clear-map skill is gonna help you a lot. Apart from that, always keep your frenzy charges up. Even with your gear, with max charges you should be melting T11s I think.

#edit, also - upgrade your jewels. You should look for increased damage, increased chaos damage, projectiles damage, etc. There's even section for that in the guide. Your jewels give you more physical or even lightning damage, but that is not as helpful, as you may think.

I played this build up to T15 easily, although could only do minotaur and barely phoenix. Other 2 damage was way too low (which I expected from a poison build). All 4 non-Chayula breachlords down with ease as well.

My problem is I'm getting absolutely butchered by Shaper. I've blown 2 sets (and the people I brought in to finish them failed both times... rip). I watch videos of people doing the fight and they burn through his HP in like 6 seconds, phase one has been taking multiple minutes for me. My gear is pretty nuts, so I can't understand what the trouble is. What am I doing wrong?

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netwarriorbg wrote:

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Deriul wrote:

You guys are doing something wrong I guess. I was running t12-t13 with really shitty mods (p.reflect + unlucky avoidance + lots of damage) at 80lvl using this build and had no problems. Overall budget was less than 5ex (reach was around 3ex but, honestly, you can go without it) and my gear is far from being good.

up to t14 inclusive it is all fun and giggles, t15 bosses are UNDOABLE with this squishy build, unless you invest 1000 exalts

Rly??

I just did a deathless Dark Forest with Poison on hit and Onslaught on Boss with -12% max res.
Twin Kaoms Done with vuln and weakness on same map. Daresso done with Onslaught and extra fire damage.. Only thing I have trouble with is boss fights with a lot of graphics because my laptop is shit. And all this at 89. WTH are you guys smoking to not be able to do these maps?
Total Gear investment is 10 ex total. Most of which has been mapped back by selling stuff.

dont feed the trolls.

I wouldn't feed them usually. But when a new player comes, and after reading the first page, goes to the last one to check feedback, I don't want a comment which says the build is shit.
Discourages people from trying this one.

Hi,
First off, thanks to the OP for this amazing build. I am having a blast and so far had no issues at all.

I have a question regarding curse usage. Originally, the OP was using Vulnerability on gloves. Later he switched to CoH /w Temp Chains. I am using the later at the moment. Obviously, we can run only one curse as we do not have any nodes for extra curses. For trash, I can see how having both would pose no problem as you normally do not use Frenzy when clearing, so you could have the benefit of Vulnerability. However, in boss fights, they would constantly overwrite. So which do you find overall better? Should I stick with Temp Chains or try to get gloves with Vulnerability on hit?

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Trissien wrote:

Hi,
First off, thanks to the OP for this amazing build. I am having a blast and so far had no issues at all.

I have a question regarding curse usage. Originally, the OP was using Vulnerability on gloves. Later he switched to CoH /w Temp Chains. I am using the later at the moment. Obviously, we can run only one curse as we do not have any nodes for extra curses. For trash, I can see how having both would pose no problem as you normally do not use Frenzy when clearing, so you could have the benefit of Vulnerability. However, in boss fights, they would constantly overwrite. So which do you find overall better? Should I stick with Temp Chains or try to get gloves with Vulnerability on hit?

Vuln on gloves will give you higher damage because Temp Chains still needs the whole time duration to be effective. Vuln works per second. Because TC increases the poison duration, while Vuln increases the damage over time effect.

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Dying__Lights wrote:

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Trissien wrote:

Hi,
First off, thanks to the OP for this amazing build. I am having a blast and so far had no issues at all.

I have a question regarding curse usage. Originally, the OP was using Vulnerability on gloves. Later he switched to CoH /w Temp Chains. I am using the later at the moment. Obviously, we can run only one curse as we do not have any nodes for extra curses. For trash, I can see how having both would pose no problem as you normally do not use Frenzy when clearing, so you could have the benefit of Vulnerability. However, in boss fights, they would constantly overwrite. So which do you find overall better? Should I stick with Temp Chains or try to get gloves with Vulnerability on hit?

Vuln on gloves will give you higher damage because Temp Chains still needs the whole time duration to be effective. Vuln works per second. Because TC increases the poison duration, while Vuln increases the damage over time effect.

That is true but TC has the added benefit of slowing down the target which is better from a defensive point. Still undecided. Fuck if those gloves didn't cost 15ex+.