Carnage Mystery Box Videos and Chris on The Lioneye's Watch Podcast

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t_golgari wrote:

What are you guys talking about? PT was completely polite and showed normal etiquette. As is usual for the host of a podcast when it comes to a guest.
He asked some harder and edgier questions than the other guys. But that is ok and necessary. He even, imho, failed to talk about the negative sides of the atlas he himself talked about last week. He was WAY harder on GGG when Chris was NOT around.
And the way he corrected Chris was perfectly fine. He just made him aware of a little mistake for him to correct himself before Twitter and Reddit and all the other dark places on the internet would explode with "Oh snap Chris doesn't know his own game noob!"

You guys can pick your battles all you want with PT, but right now you are just wrong, plain and simple!

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jahcinto wrote:

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Demonoz wrote:

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WiseGuard wrote:

Even tho i am not a fan of PT, he did proper job in this podcast.

It doesn't matter that GGG employees think that Life is better, what matters are facts. People can tank most dangerous hits with CI builds and live to tell a tale. That's something you cannot do with Life builds.

Chris did elaborate on a fact that devs might be working on some fixes, and thus they view Life as a better thing.

But the matter is - we are not playing on test servers or in devs heads. We are playing a game that is made available to us and thus PTs points are valid.

People can say what they want about PT but hes as straight as shit gets and hes not gonna sugar coat things or let anything slide by.

As far as the life vs ci debate theres no argument at all that getting 12K ES is just as easy if not easier than getting 6-7K life which thats nearly double the value. Now ofcourse you can consider things like Armour and such you can get more of with life much easier than CI and with CI typically all you have is that massive effective pool the thing is with armour for example the harder the hit the less it does so in a one shot situation most times that armour you stack on top of the life pool do nothing in the end for those one shots anyway.

Then you have to look at things like the new ES base belt... Yet NOTHING was added to help with getting more flat life. That Balt alone should have had two versions.. one for ES and one for Life so it keeps them closer together. But releasing more tool to push ES further while keeping life the same is what makes these discrepancies to begin with.

The Kaom's Heart fix or unnerf if you will is to me only a bandaid.. It still wont fix this issue either. All it will do is once again punish players who have invested sometimes EVERYTHING they have ever earned to save to buy this legacy item and give them the shaft while still keeping life where it is. All while making it so the only players who will benefit is players who use the chest. Not to mention the chest is rather limited who can use it. (2H only basically unless you want to run skills on a 4L) Not to mention the MASSIVE fucking shit storm we will see of pissed off players that their 100+ Exalt chest is now worthless effectively. (This is why i decided YEARS ago NEVER to buy into these legacy items to begin with because this can and will happen..)

I would much rather see some of the Tree Nerfs to % life fixed instead. There's enough Flat Life available to push life into good numbers but you can litteraly take every available life node on the tree and still not hit 300% life... While with CI 300% even 350%+ ES can reasonably be done. On top of there being even more flat ES available as well. AND you can still have more nodes left over to put into your builds damage in the end as well.

I played a CI build 2 or 3 leagues ago for my first time and the difference i found was staggering to me. Just how easy it was to get insane effective pools with ES compared to life and then thats not even considering tools available to me like Vaal Disc which is a huge game changer that nothing compares to with life based. On top of this i was still able to get the things that make life good like instant leech and such on my ES for a meager 2 nodes investment.. If i wanted i could have also speced it to get regen much the same. So you can even make ES function much the same as life with such a massive amount more of a pool.

This CI urge was also explained as part of this essence easiness of crafting, it was never just as easy to get that ES pool versus life, the gearing would be somewhat complex financialy -or at least a meta further in the league.

It's like your saying, build your game as only a part of the player community sees fit and fire your devs :P they have an insight we cannot grasp; life builds don't come up only on BM setups, both hybrid and MoM trees are able of pools much higher than those 7k.

While there's clearly an unbalance inbetween a pure life build (hence Kaom) and a es one, it just scaled of some also unbalanced ascendancies - cough flasks - items and league. This is not your everyday game, some things will always appear too short for someone to see at this concept level.

And legacies, it's not as if part of a description or flavour test says these will never be revisited; there's at least one other case where it had several versions. Noone is making people invest in such items, it's a risk and not a reason to stop improving your own game.

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Vampyre1111 wrote:

I am all for bringing back kaom's original form. Sure it sucks for people that have legacy ones but I feel like most people play leagues anyway. People complaining that it is expensive but so is good stat, high es armor. It would help to add in some other health items. It doesn't make much sense to make a crystal belt and not make an equivalent health belt. I have friends that after playing es build say they will never go life again because it is so easy to get 10K es, when I have to stick all my stat points into life nodes to get 6-7K life. People always complaining that melee is underpowered maybe if we had more life and could stick our nodes into some other things it would help balance it out.

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The Carnage Mystery Box launch was a huge success!