Commandment of Winter

My damage vs 99% everyone isnt a problem, its literally only zerphis since I need to 1 shot. At this point all I care about is cleaning up the pvp scene by griefing zerphi players with other broken shit XD

I am happy markusz took the time to check the dps. Any information on this is interesting to me and I am not trying to say he is wrong at this point but I do think there is a ton of variables that are being switched around and being correlated through a damage comparison which isnt relative enough to clearly result in a definitive answer. I am definitely willing to help the best I can to come to a solution though.

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GrindcoreTHRALL wrote:

Ok but going cast speed on my scepters takes off crit or fire damage so that also affects the equation. Taking nodes off the tree for mana as well...switching to a hubris will be a huge loss in dps. At this point I really dont think its an effective comparison.

Cast speed instead of any of those suffixes will increase your dps by a lot, my example showed that even if you don't do that, you are already get more dps.

I already accounted for the damage loss from scolds in the 150k->100k respec.

I still stand by my previous statement that

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Márkusz wrote:

I didn't suggest for you personally to try a self cast version, It would require a lot of change as you said, but for anyone still minmaxing, that is the better option, and for the same cost, or even lower, no incredible investment needed at all. Jewels are much easier to get, you are not limited to 5-6 mods, you can get cast speed mods.

If you insist I can post full PoB codes to make you agree, but I don't think you want even more details revealed to the public.

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GrindcoreTHRALL wrote:

My damage vs 99% everyone isnt a problem, its literally only zerphis since I need to 1 shot. At this point all I care about is cleaning up the pvp scene by griefing zerphi players with other broken shit XD

I am happy markusz took the time to check the dps. Any information on this is interesting to me and I am not trying to say he is wrong at this point but I do think there is a ton of variables that are being switched around and being correlated through a damage comparison which isnt relative enough to clearly result in a definitive answer. I am definitely willing to help the best I can to come to a solution though.

An easy solution for that is Flameblast, which needs global speed for sure, so that's another thing in favor of self cast spec.

For me it was conclusive enough, and I'm certain it is accurate for the point.

Ok so your dropping an aura, dropping scolds (losing selftriggered wintwer), changing out crit or fire damage for cast speed, changing dps rings for mana sustain, and changing nodes on the tree for mana regen. Buying a Hubris to replace scolds, and get the same ES equiv to discipline isnt going to be cheap either, considering the enchant is hard af to get, luckily I already have a good one XD. I might come up with a self cast flameblast swap but I am not convinced enough by the rough math to make the switch to self cast. Thanks again for your time crunching numbers, its very intriguing to think about.

edit: I also use lvl 28 blight and with all my raw damage, it can actually really do some damage to life based builds. Some zerphi builds I LW onto and kill with blight if they dont have extremely high dps. It doesnt work vs everyone but I really like blight as a last line of defense, usually what I use winter for XD

Am I the only one that finds this conversation hilarious? GGG has PvP so fucked up people opt out of actually moving/casting/attacking fast on purpose just to abuse the algorithm. Where those are all things you should be striving to get more and more of in an ARPG, Haha. Go from wanting to be the boxer to wanting to be the punching bag because its more effective.

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MullaXul wrote:

Am I the only one that finds this conversation hilarious? GGG has PvP so fucked up people opt out of actually moving/casting/attacking fast on purpose just to abuse the algorithm. Where those are all things you should be striving to get more and more of in an ARPG, Haha. Go from wanting to be the boxer to wanting to be the punching bag because its more effective.

lol so true

I snagged a nice mana regeneration ring

swapped to my hubris
and moved some nodes around on my passives.
I also swapped to my amulet

For not having any cast speed on my scepters, with spell echo and faster casting, the damage is insane. One thing I am unhappy about tho, I believe my damage per fireball is probably lower which is what matters most vs zerphis since I want a 1 shot kill(if possible). I might swap faster casting for elemental focus and then I think selfcast will be far beyond the damage of cwc per fireball. I will swap to flameblast and try it out but I think thats when the cast speed on my scepters is going to be needed since I wont have spell echo to carry me in that department. I miss having blight and I am way shorter on ES but overall its really nice. The no startup time on my self cast compared to cwc is the biggest note worthy change for me. Winter damage went down and I dont have a self trigger anymore :(, although I can frostwall more freely now.

Thanks for the encouragement with the philosophy and math Markusz I do like the change. I am trying to make it swappable back and forth between cwc and self cast for various reasons.

sellout.

Glad to see your understood my advice, but next time we should start this more smoothly. Still there is a lot more to upgrade, I don't think elreon mod is worth any more since the mana cost is so high, and you can still get a lot of dps on rings, just need to relocate a resist to elsewhere, and imo the LW enchant is overall better, and you don't have to worry about lacking enchant when you swap for flameblast for example



You can fire essence an amulet, you can hit better cast speed and a spell damage, and craft 20% ES, and if you do all this on a pearl amulet, you can have back your fire damage opal ring, easily outnumbering that talisman.

opal rings with 35% fire damage and 7% cast speed you must get. duh.