Inevitable Judgement 'fix' is poorly made

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hauntworld1 wrote:

Well my concerns in term of damage due to inquisitor nerf and the new anti-crit armor is now gone.

Tested my firestorm dmg on dismantle with the new armor and even fireflask, i could still kill him and the damage was good.

Using elementalist class now, got up to 68% total fire pen.

@castersrstillalive

Overall good call on inquisitor disabling, i did not feel it very much and its healthier for the meta in general.

Was that with Ele ovarload or without?

Also I guess he didn't use the big counter to simple one sided penetration, a conversion talisman. Elementalist is nice if the opponent doesnt use talisman, but otherwise you can see your damage dropping a lot. Also I guess he doesnt have good movement abilities, so kiting is another factor, but you did the match, tell us how many stacks did it take to kill him, and did he try to kite.

I was able to kill Dismantle last night, and I'm not crit. I can't remember if I was using +AoE or Controlled Destruction, which is a big difference in damage, but I managed to do it without much effort. I think the armor gives a big hit to life.

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Márkusz wrote:

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hauntworld1 wrote:

Well my concerns in term of damage due to inquisitor nerf and the new anti-crit armor is now gone.

Tested my firestorm dmg on dismantle with the new armor and even fireflask, i could still kill him and the damage was good.

Using elementalist class now, got up to 68% total fire pen.

@castersrstillalive

Overall good call on inquisitor disabling, i did not feel it very much and its healthier for the meta in general.

Was that with Ele ovarload or without?

Also I guess he didn't use the big counter to simple one sided penetration, a conversion talisman. Elementalist is nice if the opponent doesnt use talisman, but otherwise you can see your damage dropping a lot. Also I guess he doesnt have good movement abilities, so kiting is another factor, but you did the match, tell us how many stacks did it take to kill him, and did he try to kite.

No ele overload, but yes talismans will scale the damage down quite a bit... however i still have elementalist cold pen when using fire skills for exemple or i could even use frostbomb to get lightning pen, there's always some possibilities to fix these things but its harder for sure.

By a base dismantle is pretty slow, troll tank build, i use tc on hit and he lacks dispel flasks after a while. Didnt't take many stacks since my firestorm damage is pretty high, no life and block reducement is a big hitter and a nice drawback.

If I can get one I'll revive my Zerphi char at least for testing it : )

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Simplesim45 wrote:

Most people who don't like lab just really fucking suck at the game in general tho. Lab is one of the most awesome additions to this game there ever was. The rewards are great, the challenge is great. It's amazing.

Ah, another proponent of the "lab is hard" myth. Lab is trivial and stupid. All you need is some life flasks, a build that isn't crippled in it, and whatever it takes (luck, etc) to not drop while doing it (which depends on realm stability and internet connection, among other things) and it's trivial.

Trivial.

The whole "lab is hard" thing is stupid because it isn't. It's illusory difficulty that isn't really there, much like mobs one-shotting people when said mob will never actually land the hit in the first place, rendering it pointless. They're literally the same thing in terms of creating any real "difficulty." It's like putting a trivial little color-based "puzzle" before Malachai that's easy for most people but near-impossible for the color-blind. Stupid, pointless, and it wouldn't belong in the game. I'm not color-blind but I still wouldn't support it because the idea is dumb whether I can trivially do it or not, and I don't want to waste time on something boring and unfitting the ARPG genre just to play the ARPG itself.

Lab is ultimately a waste of time, a blockage to a certain selection of builds that would otherwise be more viable, and an attempt to mimic Legend-of-Zelda gameplay that really has no place in an ARPG. If some of the devs want to make Legend of Zelda content, they should apply for a job at Nintendo.

And for reference, I don't hate PvP, I think PoE has the potential for highly enjoyable PvP. However, I don't like the current implementation and I'm a realist about the fact that GGG seems to have no intention of ever fixing it, especially if people don't raise Cain and mock them over it on a fairly regular basis, which I try to remember to do when it fits a given thread. It wouldn't be that hard to at least setup true pre-made dueling and arena brackets yet they won't even do that and just knee-jerk the occasional skill instead, which probably isn't all that much less effort. And yeah, that's messed up.

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TheLastZica wrote:

blablabla lab lab muh muh

And for reference, I don't hate PvP, I think PoE has the potential for highly enjoyable PvP. However, I don't like the current implementation and I'm a realist about the fact that GGG seems to have no intention of ever fixing it, especially if people don't raise Cain and mock them over it on a fairly regular basis, which I try to remember to do when it fits a given thread. It wouldn't be that hard to at least setup true pre-made dueling and arena brackets yet they won't even do that and just knee-jerk the occasional skill instead, which probably isn't all that much less effort. And yeah, that's messed up.

They just nerfed forst wall, inquisitor, crit, vortex... Stop being a whiny baby at open your eyes. They did listen to us, inquisitor nerf is the best exemple because it is nerfed just and only for pvp.

With a little pressure and good communication by afhak (I also contributed I think since i was in contact with dan about inquisitor) something great been done.

I think I remember you, some 1h blocker? Maybe I am wrong but if I am not i understand why you are so bitter. Block is fucking boring and I am glad in this meta it suck 90% of the time unless pathfinder or sonnehagal.

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Head_Less wrote:

They just nerfed forst wall, inquisitor, crit, vortex... Stop being a whiny baby at open your eyes. They did listen to us, inquisitor nerf is the best exemple because it is nerfed just and only for pvp.

With a little pressure and good communication by afhak (I also contributed I think since i was in contact with dan about inquisitor) something great been done.

I think I remember you, some 1h blocker? Maybe I am wrong but if I am not i understand why you are so bitter. Block is fucking boring and I am glad in this meta it suck 90% of the time unless pathfinder or sonnehagal.

Wrong, and highly unrealistic. They throw PvP occasional bones on whim, but it's really quite trivial and many of them are purely to fix PvE issues anyways (Frost Wall in particular, they didn't want people mauling PvE bosses with it, which they explicitly pointed out as the reason for the change.)

But, hey, keep on pretending, maybe someday they really will make an actual effort for PvP's sake. It's certainly going to take a consistent long-term effort by multiple people to get to that point if we ever reach it. And in the meantime, perhaps you could work on your typing.

this guy has the highest amount of b*tthurt ive ever seen. he writes arguments which makes no sense at all, he tries to spice his arguments up with with long sentences and fancy choices etc etc. i tried to read one of them to see if he can make any sense at all. my hands are totally empty.


while he is talking, lapiz found probably 2 more broken builds, harleycue found 5 more skills which can one shot from over 9000 range. sidro spend 1000ex to the HLD builds he will never play in public... Chris and ahfack had friendly chit chat for at least 5 times, chris invited him to have a cup of tea outside next to the greek cafe in new zealand...

and you are still blaming / whining here

Hahaha yes rup you're right. Let's try to end it here though guys. Not like devs are reading this atm since they have 10 pages of pve bugs since we patched, but we still need to treat the feedback forum as a feedback forum and not a Jerry Springer episode. Zica, the Pvp discussion can be used for banging your fists on your chest if you'd like ;) and just so you know, I do agree with your lab thoughts.

P.s. I know you just lost your job writing for gawker (that's a joke about your snark-heavy composition btw), but not everyone has English as their first language like you and I. Do keep that in mind, lest you appear not only as your usual butthurt self, but also as a salty bigot.

(Fyi, I'm not calling you those things, I am simply mentioning what you might appear like to some from an outside perspective)

he is right about my english.
Everyone should improve his english. Once I get better with my sloven I ll go back to english, thks for the advice.



MAybe he is an old player who cameback too haha he seems too bitter for a 2016 account.

Saying they nerfed shit only for pve is a lie on this patch, Inquisitor nerf is only for pvp purpose, vortex and those other spells too.