LAB - Give us hope or give us closure GGG

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stalkingjackal wrote:

Well I'm tired of reading all the QQ about lab & ascendancy points, so here's my 2 cents..

People who hate doing lab - don't do it! Most builds can do just fine without them. They didn't exist till a few months back, and not having them is not the end of the world.

And if its just the points you're after then come back later when you're overlevelled and do them, or get a carry.

But I think most of the QQ is because people want to farm the uber lab with full keys all day but also want it to be super easy.

The whole point of the lab & the theme of the ascendancy expansion - risk vs reward, complete hard trials to get the ultimate power, only the deserving shall go through, etc etc is completely pointless if they remove ascendancy points from the lab.

Personally, I can say that the lab on normal/cruel/merciles isn't hard at all. I run them solo on all my chars, be they tanky or squishy or life based or es based. Uber lab needs a bit of an effort for some builds, and rightly so, given how unnecessary the last 2 points are for many builds.

Moral of the story:

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Don't complain about OPTIONAL CONTENT on the forums all day.

I'm tired about the QQ about the lab & ascendancy points QQ, so here's my 2 cents..

People hate seeing lab threads - don't click them! Most readers can do the forum fine without clicking them. They didn't exist till a few months and not reading them is not the end of the world.

And if it's just the participation you're after than have your little brother do them and report back to you.

But I think most of the QQ about the lab QQ is because people don't want to mis out on reading all posts all day and want it all white knight propaganda.

The whole point of the forum & theme of feedback and suggestion - sharing opinions and feelings to anyone that will listen and it's completely pointless if they remove people's feedback from the forum.

Personally, I can say the forum isn't always cherry at all. I can white knight the posts on all my keyboards be it a PC or a mac. The feedback form needs some gonads to read for some, and rightly so, given how many people have strong opinions on things.

Moral of the story:

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Siochan wrote:

The whole point of the forum & theme of feedback and suggestion - sharing opinions and feelings to anyone that will listen and it's completely pointless if they remove people's feedback from the forum.

What's the threshold to cross between giving feedback and spamming though? They could remove 100 of your "feedback" posts, and you'd still have more than enough "feedback" posts about the lab to get your feedback point across.

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mark1030 wrote:

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Siochan wrote:

The whole point of the forum & theme of feedback and suggestion - sharing opinions and feelings to anyone that will listen and it's completely pointless if they remove people's feedback from the forum.

What's the threshold to cross between giving feedback and spamming though? They could remove 100 of your "feedback" posts, and you'd still have more than enough "feedback" posts about the lab to get your feedback point across.

Maybe you should post some feedback about that. Ask that you only be allowed to post 1 topic and 1 comment on other peoples topics because all other is just spam?

Also, most people post because there has been no feedback or interaction about such a popular topic.

Also also, there are many, many different ideas, topics, points, discussions... that regard to 'lab'.

this topic is 'popular' because you and your palls SPAM the forum with it.

popular topic was recent flashback league idea - that was popular.

what you call popular is the same few people spam the same stuff over and over again. it is not only ineffective but it is downright rude and does not earn you any respect/support from others - on the contrary (read the responses in this very thread - even people that dislike lab are downright insulted with you and your methods)

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sidtherat wrote:

this topic is 'popular' because you and your palls SPAM the forum with it.

popular topic was recent flashback league idea - that was popular.

what you call popular is the same few people spam the same stuff over and over again. it is not only ineffective but it is downright rude and does not earn you any respect/support from others - on the contrary (read the responses in this very thread - even people that dislike lab are downright insulted with you and your methods)

I've seen multiple times same threads come up over and over again on a single theme...

Shitty trade in this game
Crappy PvP in this game
How bad traps/mines sucked before the boost to them
How melee is horrible
on and on...

But I didn't go in everyones posts and tell them to shut up about it because they weren't the first one to post about it.

There's just more people that dislike the lab than any other decision they have made. This isn't a coordinated SPAM as you put it, I don't know anyone else in this game. Just that many people think the lab is that horrible.

Most people just want some feedback on the issue. Simple solution to all of this really.

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stalkingjackal wrote:

People who hate doing lab - don't do it! Most builds can do just fine without them. They didn't exist till a few months back, and not having them is not the end of the world.

Sorry, but this is the biggest bullshit argument lab-defenders can bring. We are not talking about 8 passive node points, which wouldn't effect an effective build much. We are talking about gamechanging nodes. Thanks to my assassin, 8 power charges provide me +60% base crit chance (which gives me 95% crit). Thanks to my Juggernaut, I always have 10 endurance charges up and have 800 Life regen per second. Thanks to my Gladiator, I not just have 78% attack block, but also 78% spell block, without having any spellblock conversion equipment.

PoE was and is ALL ABOUT min/maxing your character! You want to get most out of your character (at least the most you can without paying more currency then you have). Saying someone should just not do the lab and give up on ascendency points is just... stupid (no offense). People DO like the ascendency classes, they just dont like the lab...

Perhaps Sidtherat was referring to me in his post above, if so let me clarify.

I agree that there have been too many threads created about labyrinth. Sidtherat has made ridiculous claims that there are only a few people posting that they dislike labyrinth. I believe that he may also be one of the people that has thought the anti-labyrinth threads themselves were created by just a few people. This has also been proven to be false. The vast majority of the anti-labyrinth threads have been started by a person that has not created any other anti-labyrinth thread.

The request in the OP seems very reasonable to me. I believe that it would be good to know what GGG's plans are for the labyrinth or even to say this is our current thought, if there is no plan. I believe it would be good for the community to have such a response from GGG. I support the OP in imploring GGG to spend a few minutes of their valuable time in responding.

To people enraged because of these labyrinth threads, if these threads bother you so much then I suggest that you simply no longer open them.

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Turtledove wrote:

To people enraged because of these labyrinth threads, if these threads bother you so much then I suggest that you simply no longer open them.

+1

These threads are OPTIONAL! ;D

Sexcalibure, Regulator, and all the frequent posters about the Labyrinth doomed any possibility of reform a lot of time ago. You don't become annoying without any consequences. GGG knows better than saying yes to such mistreatment.

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NeroNoah wrote:

Sexcalibure, Regulator, and all the frequent posters about the Labyrinth doomed any possibility of reform a lot of time ago. You don't become annoying without any consequences. GGG knows better than saying yes to such mistreatment.

If GGG makes a decision on game design on such a fundamental level based on the emotional reaction of a little kid to random forum activity, then more reason to quit asap.

In any case, at this point we are not even discussing about motives or reasons, I won't keep playing the game if GGG does not makes something happen that allows me to play "Path of Exile - ASCENDANCY" instead of "Path of Exile - Labshiet.

It's not about if we are a minority or not, it's about if the game would be better or not (which in the end is pretty subjective), and in particular it's not about the opinion of the players that have a point of view opposed to mine respect the Lab.

If GGG closes the matter without making anything that changes the way the game feels to me at this point, then by the next Announcement or relative considerable patch, I will quit the game. Well, I will uninstall the game to be precise since I haven't played for a long time this league.

So at this point, this thread is the more reasonable one in fact.

If you are tired of reading threads against the Lab, I'm even more tired of the way GGG has elected to go about this issue, and the interaction in general "with the """community"""" from long time now.

They have the right to do what they want with the game design, I have the right to demand certain level of conduct from the companies I support, or to stop supporting them for any reason whatsoever at any point.

So GGG can play the PR / Marketing game by ignoring this problem and betting that in time most of the players would adapt instead of quit the game, not risking players leaving because of a direct response in either way. Maybe it's the smart move. Maybe PoE declines till the bitter end.

I have the right to demand a response or change in the near future.

They have no obligation to satisfy said demand.

I'm just one client, they are just a company.

Welcome to the free market.