Over 430 threads discussing labyrinth problems with over 1040 posters in support DONE!!!!!

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The_Reporter wrote:

They'll never say because saying so would be admitting their 'creative' stat fudging.

"The attractiveness of conspiracy theories may arise from a number of cognitive biases that characterize the way we process information. “Confirmation bias” is the most pervasive cognitive bias and a powerful driver of belief in conspiracies. We all have a natural inclination to give more weight to evidence that supports what we already believe and ignore evidence that contradicts our beliefs. The real-world events that often become the subject of conspiracy theories tend to be intrinsically complex and unclear. Early reports may contain errors, contradictions and ambiguities, and those wishing to find evidence of a cover-up will focus on such inconsistencies to bolster their claims."

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edit: in easier to understand words: you simply dont know whats fact and whats not, but admitting that would shatter your view of things...

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The_Reporter wrote:

Prove me wrong, clown. Do that, and I will relent.

Ask GGG to explain that they only meant one specific trial areal and not the combined created instances of ALL trial areas.

To any person with any kind of rational reasoning ability, it is crystal clear what they did there. No confirmation bias or whatever nonsensical BS you want to explain it away with is necessary.

lol, i (and shovelcut, for what its worth) totally agree that its possible that they summed up all instances created. but i dont know it for sure and i dont speculate.

you are the one desperately trying to "explain something away" and uses "nonsensical (and rethorical) BS"... ("To any person with any kind of rational reasoning ability, it is crystal clear...") óÒ

i dont have an agenda. im fine with the state of affairs. you guys have. your throwing arround with wild speculations, and its your task to prove that what you claim is the truth. but you cant.

and no, that paragraph about confirmation bias is no rethorical bs from me, its on point and exactly what your doing... and again... and again... and again...

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The_Reporter wrote:

You still haven't proven me wrong. I'm right and you're on the fence about it.

yeah... just yeah...

nothing more to say here... óÒ


(i laughed loud (again), but im feeling sooo sad and empty at the same time... *shakeshead*)

Not sure what this talk even is about.

Trials are not even listed in there, and there are 6 different once the instances are named after the corresponding trial. The area in there is the Izaro area, so this could be inflated only because each Labyrinth has 3 Izaros, the difficulty shouldn't matter much because who does cruel or normal anyway.

However this is still meaningless considering that there are only ordered, not listed with actual numbers. Also reducing the number by 3 again is a bit odd, because the statistic has its issues right at the start when it looks at instances created and not time spend in instances. Of course maps do fall short in this scenario because you will not leave them until finished. Doing Lunaris I to look for a corrupted area, masters or whatever or farming voll is a lot quicker than doing maps and a whole lot quicker than doing the lab.

And they didn't do anything. They obviously just pulled this data from somewhere and posted it. Someone might have looked over it and thought "Hmm... why are there 12 different versions of aspirants trial, lets merge them", but it might as well never have shown up that way.

So without actual numbers and actual knowledge of the process the 7th place of the Aspirants Trial doesn't say anything. It is neither usable as an argument for or against the lab, and considering those stats were not provided to give insight on this matter, but purely as some random stats (much like how many players died to normal Hailrake), they simply cannot provide any further information that what is pretty safe to say. Instances called Aspirants Trial are the 7th most created ones. Anything beyond that is speculation. We don't know how much difference lies between the 7th and the 8th place, so even if we devide the number by 3 and substract maybe 5% of Merc Lab runs and another 1% for Normal and Cruel we could still have the Uber Lab at place 7, because the distance to the 8th place could be so huge. But it could also be that it is so close that the Aspirants Trial falls out of the list entirely.

From a more time focussed perspective one could argue that the areas up to one Izaro in general are as big as a map, or even a bit bigger (but you just kill your path through, which should be about a map). So considering that you have to do a third labyrinth to reach one Izaro it is pretty safe to say that doing a third of a lab is done as often as doing the more popular maps. Now of course Oasis is popular because of voll and beach because it is a cool layout. And considering there are only 4 T2 maps the number is not split as much as with higher maps (there are already 6 T3 maps and I think 7 T4).

My assumption is that the race is quite close, because if it would be a huge difference a T3, 4 or 5 map would creep up there, but with a closer race it is very likely that the higher pool of maps within that pool pushes them out. It also shows how incredible popular Strand is.


However one thing that should be noted too, the 3 maps listed in the Stats have the same issue as the Labyrinth, they likely include Shaped and Unshaped versions, which instances have the same name.

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You still haven't proven me wrong. I'm right and you're on the fence about it.

Shouldn't you proof that they manipulated the statistics to push the aspirants trial up there. If they got the stats internally and they are actually seperated it could mean that only the most common Aspirants trial (which is the first Izaro Encounter in Uber lab, I assume) is listed and the race is actually close enough that the others dropped out of the Top10 or that they just summed it up, which would be true for the maps in that case as well.

But again creating the Izaro encounter means one third of the lab is done, which make the stats more comparable anyway, because one lab run is simply a lot longer and it would actually be quite surprising if this is the actual number of lab runs, which would be hillarious, so it is highly unlikely and I don't see someone arguing over that, the issue people have is that it is very unlikely that this was intentionally done, because the map instances are also not seperated by shaped, unshaped and Zana given versions, so why should the Aspirants Trials, my guess is they collected names of instances, but I gave another less likely possibility above.

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Emphasy wrote:

Shouldn't you proof that they manipulated the statistics to push the aspirants trial up there. If they got the stats internally and they are actually seperated it could mean that only the most common Aspirants trial (which is the first Izaro Encounter in Uber lab, I assume) is listed and the race is actually close enough that the others dropped out of the Top10 or that they just summed it up, which would be true for the maps in that case as well.

We don't have to prove anything. Here's what they said

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Bex_GGG wrote:

Merciless: The Dried Lake
Merciless: The Submerged Passage
Merciless: The Lunaris Temple Level 1
Oasis Map
Merciless: The Docks
Beach Map
Aspirant's Trial
Strand Map
Normal: The Coast
Cruel: The Dried Lake

An instance of Aspirant's Trial is one third of a labyrinth run. Everything has a specific difficulty listed or it's a map except for Aspirant's trial. The list is clearly stating that Aspirant's Trial instances. That would be three instances per labyrinth run times the total Labyrinth runs of all difficulties. Now it does not prove that they didn't make a mistake naming what the sixth line item is. It also does not prove what the GGG motivation is but you folks pretending that it doesn't say what it says seems pretty silly.

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Turtledove wrote:

You are throwing around totally bogus percentages. Please stop making everything up out of thin air. I really thought you were more rational than that??

We both know i posted concrete data, so dont play silly. I dont got time to repost stuff.

If theres over 80k active daily players how much do you need for a majority. How much do you have right now?

Exactly.

It's a wash. The extra aspirant trials are offset by bots increasing numbers of all the other farming instances. Bots don't run the lab.

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Turtledove wrote:

It also does not prove what the GGG motivation is but you folks pretending that it doesn't say what it says seems pretty silly.

pls qoute where anybody wrote (i mean statet as fact) that the list doesnt says what its saying or said something other than what it says (that is "aspirants trial is the 7th most created instance in breach").

and if there is no prove what gggs motivation was with anything, then what is it exactly to insinuate they "lied", played with words, manipulated stats ot whatever?

i have a quote for you:

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Turtledove wrote:

I think what The_Reporter is referring to is earlier in this thread (IIRC) it was pointed out that the trials have all been bunched together for all of the different difficulties whereas the other areas on the list are divided by difficulty, in an apparent "fudging" of the stats to make the Labyrinth even appear in the top ten.

(bolding by me)

really looking forward to your response :)

regards,

a casual thinker ;)