The Labyrinth is great content

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johnKeys wrote:

to clarify: this is not a "nerf Labyrinth" thread.


Here's a list of around 100 threads from the feedback and suggestions forum, with the thread titles, that are about disliking labyrinth. I think that the only nerf labyrinth threads are regarding energy shield characters. Which is a problem that GGG has already mitigated. There were some threads about nerfing Izaro but I didn't include those in this list because I consider those threads the normal "nerf-new-boss" threads that you always to see. I'm not interested in the nerf Izaro threads, except for the complaint about traps taking up too much space in the final Izaro encounter, which I'm sympathetic with.

Anyway here's the list so that if anyone is interested in trying to disprove my summary. (Note that I have not yet gone through threads that were created during the first week of March, so if someone wants to add to the list, that would probably be the best way.)

Spoiler
Put Ascendency points as a reward for defeating Malachai. https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1686222

The Labyrinth is great content https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1686329

Why the uber lab is a fuck-up https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1683137

The Ascendency Labyrinth - My Conclusions so far and how to solve the Problem! https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1681139

Labyrinth is to hard for noobs like me. https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1666613

Open Letter to Chris Wilson (on making the labyrinth more inclusive) https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1664975

I hate the lab https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1665824

The labyrinth is both boring and frustrating https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1600374

Labyrinth,the worst content ever made in POE? https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1602474

SET FREE ASCENDANCY POINTS (remove AC from lab) https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1609216

[Poll] It's been a month now, how much do you like the labyrinth/acendancy class/enchantments? https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1639251

Labyrinth sucks https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1599400

Labrynth = not fun https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1599118

Labyrinth an all difficulties? absolute horror, who has time for this? https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1654766

Lab is boring https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1654094

Labyrinth makes me want to stop playing. https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1652039

The Labyrinth Reduced *My* Retention https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1648622

Labyrinth has killed any motivation to make new characters for me. https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1650687

Ascendancy points can be rewarded out of Labyrinth. Lab is forced just to have a build https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1647982

Quitting PoE after years due to Labyrinth System https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1607115

My wallet will talk https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1642689

Im done https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1640022

Let's Talk Compromise https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1639840

Quick fix for the labyrinth: Orb of Enchantment https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1626083

Labyrinth killed the game for me https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1637861

Ready to say goodbye to an old friend. https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1635252

Just When The Game Had Roped Me Back In, I Think I’m Done Again https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1631143

Labyrinth is trash https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1625607

The Labyrinth as a returning player. https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1626681

I never want to play the labyrinth ever again. https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1619098

After thousen of hours and dollars, i now feel like quiting https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1623311

The lab was the final nail https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1621003

Does anyone actually enjoy Labyrinth? https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1602524

Petition to get GGG to add Nascar-Style Racing to PoE https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1612436

The Labyrinth can imprison you? Are you serious??? https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1609752

Labyrinth = Worst addon ever https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1609842

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My solution for Labyrinth - Abandon runs with difficult traps https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1627246

The Labyrinth is not fun https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1623748

To much Diesync in Labyrinth for Predictive End Fight https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1615082

[POLLS] Traps: What works, what doesn't, how can GGG fix what's broken? https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1625332

Some improvements for lab https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1623275

The lab was the final nail https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1621003

Pure and hybrid ES is basicly screwed in lab. https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1618697

Labyrinth and Visibility https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1622033

The Lab's pacing https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1621396

Improving Traps in the Labyrinth https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1621394

Suggestion (updated): One of the biggest gripes with the Labyrinth can be solved by... https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1618436

LAB FKN FAIL https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1618978

Sorry, not good enough. https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1605295

My thoughts on the lab. https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1619593

Quitting POE now after the labyrinth https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1599749

Alternate way to Ascend https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1602696

The labyrinth's interaction with ES-based builds. https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1618873

Labryinth Key (Currency) - Unlocks Boss Fight only version https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1618533

Labyrinth is Horrible https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1604737

The Impossible Lab. https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1618302

Challenges... in Labyrinth https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1616168

Farewell, my friends! https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1609642

Please remove 'Restart on death' from Labyrinth. https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1617190

Cleared labyrinth cruel, got 0 ascendancy points. https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1616950

My 2 cents https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1617410

Traps https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1617417

Died in labyrinth, couldnt flame dash, fake line of sight https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1616996

Make Lab Optional - some Ideas https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1616910

Labyrinth - Fix trap damage to set amounts in normal, rather than % of life / ES https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1616743

No state save on disconnect in Labyrinth?? https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1615253

I've made up my mind about the Labyrinth https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1614981

Why does Lab actually reset zones? That is terrible design. https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1614152

Labyrinth sections reset?! https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1614138

An idea about Ascendancy and the dreaded Labyrinth https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1613410

Here is why the Labyrinth favours softcore and is a very bad design. https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1610755

Labyrinth "balance" https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1611700

Poe Ascendancy went downhill , patch & GAME is horrible. https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1610258

Labyrinth = Worst addon ever https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1609842

My Problems with the Labyrith https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1610210

Labirynth is forcing hardcore on standard players. Why would you do that?? https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1608967

Don't like how the lab is implemented https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1608889

GGG Read this: Labyrinth Advice from a Loyal Player https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1608502

Labyrinth, forcing HC feelings? https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1608040

I'll lend my voice... https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1604534

Do you think playing labyrinths is any fun? https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1602206

Trial´s & Lab´s trap damage https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1607185

Labyrinth forcing hardcore on standard players https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1607088

Labyrinth should not be mandatory for ac points https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1606225

The Ascendency Feedback https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1604398

Shit ass update https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1605268

The Labyrinth is everying I dislike about games in one package. https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1599347

Labyrinth visibility and switches https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1603597

Remove Acendancy Points from Lab https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1603373

Alternate Ascendancy https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1603680

Ascendancy is not fun. https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1602221

Over 430 threads discussing labyrinth problems with over 1040 posters in support (thread # 1702621) Thank you all! GGG will implement a different method for ascension in PoE2. Retired!
100 threads consisting of unconstructive feedback based entirely on personal opinions and not facts, to top that off its the generic few words, max one paragraph generic shit posts that are oh soo common with anyone who talks about labyrinth.

Literally nothing to see and not even remotely valid "evidence".
Harvest sucks! But look at my decked out gear two weeks in!

Labyrinth salt farm miner.

"But my build diversity" , "Game is too hard!" - Meta drone playing the same 1-3 builds for years.
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Tin_Foil_Hat wrote:
100 threads consisting of unconstructive feedback based entirely on personal opinions and not facts, to top that off its the generic few words, max one paragraph generic shit posts that are oh soo common with anyone who talks about labyrinth.

Literally nothing to see and not even remotely valid "evidence".


Of course this is all personal opinions. Being disgusted by trap gameplay being added to PoE is a personal opinion. Loving trap gameplay is also a personal opinion. Those personal opinions are in fact FACTS very important facts depending on what decisions or context for those decisions that GGG might be making.

Actually, the list is powerful anecdotal evidence of the level of disgust that people have of the trap gameplay being added to PoE, which is constructive in and of itself. Although that wasn't the purpose of my posting the list which I assume that I made clear to everyone except you.
Over 430 threads discussing labyrinth problems with over 1040 posters in support (thread # 1702621) Thank you all! GGG will implement a different method for ascension in PoE2. Retired!
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Turtledove wrote:
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Tin_Foil_Hat wrote:
100 threads consisting of unconstructive feedback based entirely on personal opinions and not facts, to top that off its the generic few words, max one paragraph generic shit posts that are oh soo common with anyone who talks about labyrinth.

Literally nothing to see and not even remotely valid "evidence".


Of course this is all personal opinions. Being disgusted by trap gameplay being added to PoE is a personal opinion. Loving trap gameplay is also a personal opinion. Those personal opinions are in fact FACTS very important facts depending on what decisions or context for those decisions that GGG might be making.

Actually, the list is powerful anecdotal evidence of the level of disgust that people have of the trap gameplay being added to PoE, which is constructive in and of itself. Although that wasn't the purpose of my posting the list which I assume that I made clear to everyone except you.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constructive_criticism

Clear to everyone which is why every time you post youre disagreed with which can be seen in nearly every labyrinth thread that you soo desperately post the same shitty copy pasta in ? Yeah, okay, totally not getting delusional at all there buddy.

PS - I suggest you read that wiki page and learn what actual constructive criticism is. If you understood that youd then understand why everyone laughs at labyrinth hate posts and says its whining.
Harvest sucks! But look at my decked out gear two weeks in!

Labyrinth salt farm miner.

"But my build diversity" , "Game is too hard!" - Meta drone playing the same 1-3 builds for years.
Last edited by Tin_Foil_Hat#0111 on Jun 18, 2016, 3:18:57 PM
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Tin_Foil_Hat wrote:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constructive_criticism

Clear to everyone which is why every time you post youre disagreed with which can be seen in nearly every labyrinth thread that you soo desperately post the same shitty copy pasta in ? Yeah, okay, totally not getting delusional at all there buddy.

PS - I suggest you read that wiki page and learn what actual constructive criticism is. If you understood that youd then understand why everyone laughs at labyrinth hate posts and says its whining.


>This article is written like a personal reflection or opinion essay

Constructive criticism actually in grey zone when it comes to feedback. Ofc you can call it a rant/whine when someone says his opinion and its different from yours. Not talking about obvious "GRRR!! HATE!! REMOVE THIS SHIT!!!!" posts, but there is plenty of valid opinions why people hate something and suggestions how to improve rather than remove. I can call that constructive criticism.
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P_Johann wrote:
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Tin_Foil_Hat wrote:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constructive_criticism

Clear to everyone which is why every time you post youre disagreed with which can be seen in nearly every labyrinth thread that you soo desperately post the same shitty copy pasta in ? Yeah, okay, totally not getting delusional at all there buddy.

PS - I suggest you read that wiki page and learn what actual constructive criticism is. If you understood that youd then understand why everyone laughs at labyrinth hate posts and says its whining.


>This article is written like a personal reflection or opinion essay

Constructive criticism actually in grey zone when it comes to feedback. Ofc you can call it a rant/whine when someone says his opinion and its different from yours. Not talking about obvious "GRRR!! HATE!! REMOVE THIS SHIT!!!!" posts, but there is plenty of valid opinions why people hate something and suggestions how to improve rather than remove. I can call that constructive criticism.
I like how the immediate first post is ignoring the definition and attempting to argue on semantics.

"Constructive criticism is the process of offering valid and well-reasoned opinions about the work of others, usually involving both positive and negative comments, in a friendly manner rather than an oppositional one. The purpose of 'constructive criticism is to improve the outcome. In collaborative work, this kind of criticism is a valuable tool in raising and maintaining performance standards."


There is no "Greyzone". Thats like you saying that theres a grey zone in the scientific method. You either do it correctly or you dont.

Go through said list and find a single thread that meets all those standards. At best there is probably one that will meet those standards as i know there has been a handful of good constructive posts concerning the trials.

Edit - Oh and to further build upon that. Heres a great wiki how to describing the steps you take when posting PROPER constructive criticism. I also suggest people read that as well.

http://www.wikihow.com/Criticize-Constructively
Harvest sucks! But look at my decked out gear two weeks in!

Labyrinth salt farm miner.

"But my build diversity" , "Game is too hard!" - Meta drone playing the same 1-3 builds for years.
Last edited by Tin_Foil_Hat#0111 on Jun 18, 2016, 3:38:13 PM
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Tin_Foil_Hat wrote:


"Constructive criticism is the process of offering valid and well-reasoned opinions about the work of others, usually involving both positive and negative comments, in a friendly manner rather than an oppositional one. The purpose of 'constructive criticism is to improve the outcome. In collaborative work, this kind of criticism is a valuable tool in raising and maintaining performance standards."


There is no "Greyzone". Thats like you saying that theres a grey zone in the scientific method. You either do it correctly or you dont.


Boy oh boy, do YOU ever need to read up on this subject more. Nobody needs to learn about this concept more than you.
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Casual_Ascent wrote:
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Tin_Foil_Hat wrote:


"Constructive criticism is the process of offering valid and well-reasoned opinions about the work of others, usually involving both positive and negative comments, in a friendly manner rather than an oppositional one. The purpose of 'constructive criticism is to improve the outcome. In collaborative work, this kind of criticism is a valuable tool in raising and maintaining performance standards."


There is no "Greyzone". Thats like you saying that theres a grey zone in the scientific method. You either do it correctly or you dont.


Boy oh boy, do YOU ever need to read up on this subject more. Nobody needs to learn about this concept more than you.


Shsss, let him go in all this thread and rage. He become very active in lab threads after the last probation. Its also interesting to watch when he talks about constructive criticism.

Generally I agree with OP to some extend. I agree that the lab like content doesnt work good in online games, but I would go more and say it actually doesnt work in mouse and click games also that good. There is a reason why you dont see this type of controls in other platform games and why they use more direct controls.

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Casual_Ascent wrote:
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Tin_Foil_Hat wrote:


"Constructive criticism is the process of offering valid and well-reasoned opinions about the work of others, usually involving both positive and negative comments, in a friendly manner rather than an oppositional one. The purpose of 'constructive criticism is to improve the outcome. In collaborative work, this kind of criticism is a valuable tool in raising and maintaining performance standards."


There is no "Greyzone". Thats like you saying that theres a grey zone in the scientific method. You either do it correctly or you dont.


Boy oh boy, do YOU ever need to read up on this subject more. Nobody needs to learn about this concept more than you.


I also love the fact that he criticizes that fellow for arguing semantics when most of TFH's posts lately have been just arguing semantics! :-D
Over 430 threads discussing labyrinth problems with over 1040 posters in support (thread # 1702621) Thank you all! GGG will implement a different method for ascension in PoE2. Retired!
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