Mechanical Questions Thread

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Tereadon wrote:
Charge infinite loop
This was attempted here, and it didn't work. Although it's sound from a purely logical perspective, the practical issue is that there's only so much the game can process every "tick". What would actually happen in your scenario is that the game would hang when you gained a power charge, because it would never break out of the loop of gaining and losing power charges. The loops that exist, such as using Heartbound Loop to trigger Cast when Damage Taken -> Summon Skeletons, which triggers itself again when the skeletons die, work because they have timers or cooldowns to make the loops work over time rather than instantly.
Okay thank you. I already thought about that
Not sure if this is the right thread or if this should be in its own, but anyways:

I just unlocked my first Sirus fight in the quest The Awakener of Worlds after completing the 4 conqueror endgame questlines.

What happens if I die 6 times in this fight and fail to complete it?

a) Do I get another shot or do I then have to kill the other 4 again to unlock Sirus again?

b) Or is it like failing the others before the first Sirus fight and I can get him to spawn again after doing a few maps?

c) When I realize mid fight I have no chance, can I invite another player to kill Sirus in my game and finish the quest or would that somehow ruin it?

Hope someone can shed some light into this, I'd like to know that before trying him.
I died at all the others except for the Redeemer, so I'm pretty sure I WILL fail that first attempt.
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requin3d wrote:
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Cruonit wrote:
Hi, I am playing a summoner and my weapon has 'minions deal 80½ increased damage'. I will use mirage archer which states 'The clone is a minion that uses your bow and quiver'. Based on wording I do assume my '80% increased damage' buff will be doubled, one for my bow and one for the bow of clone, because it doesn't say 'your minions'.
Unfortunately I am unable to confirm this on PoB. Is there a way to know?
Thanks in advance.


I'd assume it won't work because, just like your 80%minion dmg quiver doesn't buff your dmg, his 80%minion dmg quiver won't buff his


Hi, thank you for the answer. I am afraid, that my question was misunderstood. My bow states 'minions deal 80% increased damage'.
I know that I am not a minion, so it is logical that this damage increase will not affect me. (Actually it affects me because I have 'minion damage increase and decrease affect you' allocated on my passive tree. Westernmost minion wheel, but that is not really my concern.)
I want to know, if my other minions (zombies, golem and spectres) benefit from the secondary 'minions deal 80% increased damage' from mirror clone, which uses my bow and quiver.

I ask this, because I am familiar with Animate Guardian skill. We animate weapons and armor like Kingmaker, leercast and victario's flight to buff other minions. However their text is written as 'nearby allies'. If I use a curse equipment on AG, it will be able to curse enemies at the same time with me, so enemies will have 2 different curses at the same time, because mechanics accept AG as another entity. AG does not share my curse limit.

I hope, I am more clear this time.
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Cruonit wrote:
I want to know, if my other minions (zombies, golem and spectres) benefit from the secondary 'minions deal 80% increased damage' from mirror clone, which uses my bow and quiver.

I ask this, because I am familiar with Animate Guardian skill. We animate weapons and armor like Kingmaker, leercast and victario's flight to buff other minions. However their text is written as 'nearby allies'. If I use a curse equipment on AG, it will be able to curse enemies at the same time with me, so enemies will have 2 different curses at the same time, because mechanics accept AG as another entity. AG does not share my curse limit.

I hope, I am more clear this time.
No they don't. The modifier on your bow and quiver affects your minions, but the modifier on your minion's bow and quiver would affect your minion's minions, not your other minions. As you note, Kingmaker and the like affect "allies", not minions, so they work properly when on a minion.

On a secondary note, I'm pretty sure that minions do share your curse limit.
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ekaye wrote:
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Cruonit wrote:
I want to know, if my other minions (zombies, golem and spectres) benefit from the secondary 'minions deal 80% increased damage' from mirror clone, which uses my bow and quiver.

I ask this, because I am familiar with Animate Guardian skill. We animate weapons and armor like Kingmaker, leercast and victario's flight to buff other minions. However their text is written as 'nearby allies'. If I use a curse equipment on AG, it will be able to curse enemies at the same time with me, so enemies will have 2 different curses at the same time, because mechanics accept AG as another entity. AG does not share my curse limit.

I hope, I am more clear this time.
No they don't. The modifier on your bow and quiver affects your minions, but the modifier on your minion's bow and quiver would affect your minion's minions, not your other minions. As you note, Kingmaker and the like affect "allies", not minions, so they work properly when on a minion.

On a secondary note, I'm pretty sure that minions do share your curse limit.


I see your point, I have this experience with spectres. I was not sure because GGG mechanics are always very specific with the use of 'you' / 'your' and it is not 'Your minions' on the weapon, I thought it may count as a global buff. Thank you for answer.

About minion curse limit you are right, however AG mechanics are different; 'The Guardian does not share your max amount of curses you can apply to enemies, and therefore functions as a player with the default curse limit when applying curses (through corrupted gloves, for example).' https://pathofexile.gamepedia.com/Animate_Guardian in case You would like to check.

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Wissle wrote:
Not sure if this is the right thread or if this should be in its own, but anyways:

I just unlocked my first Sirus fight in the quest The Awakener of Worlds after completing the 4 conqueror endgame questlines.

What happens if I die 6 times in this fight and fail to complete it?

a) Do I get another shot or do I then have to kill the other 4 again to unlock Sirus again?

b) Or is it like failing the others before the first Sirus fight and I can get him to spawn again after doing a few maps?

c) When I realize mid fight I have no chance, can I invite another player to kill Sirus in my game and finish the quest or would that somehow ruin it?

Hope someone can shed some light into this, I'd like to know that before trying him.
I died at all the others except for the Redeemer, so I'm pretty sure I WILL fail that first attempt.


if you fail you'll have to hunt down the other 4 again
you can ask for help, just keep in mind you need 2 portals if you want to get 2 people inside
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requin3d wrote:
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Wissle wrote:
Not sure if this is the right thread or if this should be in its own, but anyways:

I just unlocked my first Sirus fight in the quest The Awakener of Worlds after completing the 4 conqueror endgame questlines.

What happens if I die 6 times in this fight and fail to complete it?

a) Do I get another shot or do I then have to kill the other 4 again to unlock Sirus again?

b) Or is it like failing the others before the first Sirus fight and I can get him to spawn again after doing a few maps?

c) When I realize mid fight I have no chance, can I invite another player to kill Sirus in my game and finish the quest or would that somehow ruin it?

Hope someone can shed some light into this, I'd like to know that before trying him.
I died at all the others except for the Redeemer, so I'm pretty sure I WILL fail that first attempt.


if you fail you'll have to hunt down the other 4 again
you can ask for help, just keep in mind you need 2 portals if you want to get 2 people inside


Okay, thanks!
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ekaye wrote:
On a secondary note, I'm pretty sure that minions do share your curse limit.


I’ve set my curse limit to 2 and picked up 2 Spectres that curse. They would overwrite each other’s curses as best I could tell, so I presume Spectres at least have a curse limit of 1.
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requin3d wrote:
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Wissle wrote:
Not sure if this is the right thread or if this should be in its own, but anyways:

I just unlocked my first Sirus fight in the quest The Awakener of Worlds after completing the 4 conqueror endgame questlines.

What happens if I die 6 times in this fight and fail to complete it?

a) Do I get another shot or do I then have to kill the other 4 again to unlock Sirus again?

b) Or is it like failing the others before the first Sirus fight and I can get him to spawn again after doing a few maps?

c) When I realize mid fight I have no chance, can I invite another player to kill Sirus in my game and finish the quest or would that somehow ruin it?

Hope someone can shed some light into this, I'd like to know that before trying him.
I died at all the others except for the Redeemer, so I'm pretty sure I WILL fail that first attempt.


if you fail you'll have to hunt down the other 4 again
you can ask for help, just keep in mind you need 2 portals if you want to get 2 people inside


A followup question to that:
I decided to try alone at first and the first phases were actually pretty easy but in his last phase he suddenly nuked me with his bigger area lazors and I don't see that changing on the next try.

So if I bring someone in to kill that sucker in the last phase, how does that work?
I WILL die again there, can I just stay dead on the floor without returning to my hideout and get the quest when the other player kills him?

Or do I need to be alive in the room to get the quest?

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