Mechanical Questions Thread
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Enemies resistances can go on -?
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" Hey, quick update: I can confirm that with 0% chance to ignite and no increase in base crit chance the charged debuff explosion of infernal blow can and does ignite. This means it crits and it means its base crit is not, in fact, 0%. Whether it is tied to the weapons crit chance or is flat (say 5%) I could not say without some serious testing and immaculate record keeping that I am really just not prepared to do. I would really like to know though! P.S. It can also chill, shatter and shock meaning it is not purely fire damage. It appears to be literally 66% of all damage done by each hit that caused a debuff. This also means that the wiki is currently wrong! Last edited by Doombug5000#6826 on Oct 5, 2018, 9:42:58 AM
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That sounds like you have a lot of extra stuff going on.
Have you tried using it with a naked character at level 12? Are you sure this wasn't actually the burn from Herald of Ash? Not that I wouldn't believe you, but the more precise and well founded mechanical knowledge is, the better. " If you meant to ask whether negative resistance values are possible, then yes, they are. |
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How do "Chance to Ignite/Freeze/Shock" work without any of the related damage values (from an Enchant on Boots, Holy Dominion or The Taming)? Would the ailment still be applied? PoeWiki states that both Shock and Ignite (obviously) are related to damage dealt.
Additionally, if the ailment would be applied, would critical strikes increase the chance to 100% as is usual? Thanks :). |
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" To apply elemental ailments, the hits that are supposed to apply it need to be capable of doing so. This is not necessarily fixed to the original elements for their respective ailments, because some uniques can change it (e.g. "Your Cold Damage Can Ignite"), but depending on which of these you equip, the damage type does need to match. Critical strikes have a 100% chance to inflict elemental ailments matching their damage type, but are subject to damage thresholds for their respective ailments. Chance to inflict elemental ailments on gear, the passive tree, or skill descriptions represents your chance of generally being able to do so with non-critical strikes, but the ailments are still subject to their thresholds. For instance, freezing with non-critical strikes still requires you to hit the target for 5% of its hp. The effective thresholds can be lowered through increases of Freeze Duration, Effect of Chill and Effect of Shock as well as Effect of non-damaging Elemental Ailments. Keep in mind that Temporal Chains can increase the effective duration of elemental ailments, but does not interact with their magnitude and their thresholds. |
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" Friend, my testing was thorough. I started at level 13 with a new character and went very slowly through to act 3 hitting and watching. For the serious testing, I had no heralds active, I had 0% ignite chance, I did not use melee splash. The only way enemies I wasn't directly hitting could have been hit was the explosion. When I leveled up a little I equipped an Ungil's harmony to increase crit chance and make testing more bearable. I had no increase % base crit and yet adjacent enemies, hit by the explosion, would occasionally ignite. Moreover, when hit by the 'charged debuff' they would also get chilled or sometimes shatter if I had cold damage. This means that the charged explosion is not secondary fire damage as the wiki states, it seems like it is 66% * (all weapon damage without any extra conversion) * charges. It also seems to double dip increasing the explosion damage with your increased damage modifiers but I have not confirmed this yet. If it is secondary damage, you would expect it to though. I will link a video to convince you in a few minutes. EDIT: Here is the promised video, audio is a little screwy! https://youtu.be/FEKztwUON8s EDIT 2: One possibility I have overlooked is that secondary damage of this sort might have an innate chance to freeze/shock/ignite that is heretofore unknown or unacknowledged. I find this unlikely, however, as the times it did cause status effects it did so to several enemies at once rather than randomly igniting or freezing one here and one there. EDIT 3: Just specced into Elemental Overload (EO) and can now triple confirm that the charged explosion crits, I can hit with a non-crit (no EO proc) and then the explosion can crit and proc EO. I can also confirm that crit chance appears to be tied to the weapon because I tried doing this unarmed and no EO procs happened. Last edited by Doombug5000#6826 on Oct 6, 2018, 5:07:01 AM
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The effect of Flammability and Elemental weakness stack on monster? (ofc I have item for 2 curses)
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" Yes. They are different sources of -resist, they stack. |
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" I appreciate the effort. In this case I hope we can get a response from GGG, though for the time being I would assume 5% crit (if I understood you correctly, more weapon base crit had slightly lower chance for explosion crit). |
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" Well, I think I was wrong about that because when I was unarmed I never procced EO which implies that the explosion crit is tied to weapon crit chance. I did some further testing on high-level standard characters and I discovered that the debuff damage, the 66%, is completely unaltered by anything except for crit multi. By this I mean it does not double dip at all. To clarify: When you hit an enemy with infernal blow directly (i.e. your main target) the charged debuff is applied, 1 stack at a time. When this debuff expires it effectively hits every enemy in its radius with damage based on 66% * charges * weapon damage. This is a unique hit and rolls completely independently of the damage you've already done e.g. if your weapon damage is 200-300 and you hit for 300 3 times it makes no difference to the explosion, it rolls fresh giving you 66% * 3 * (200-300) so the explosion might hit for anything between 396 and 594. The explosion could also roll a crit dealing significantly more damage which is why some streamers playing Infernal Blow have speculated that the charge explosion double dips. So, to break it all down: 1. Infernal blow charges have base crit chance based on your weapon 2. Infernal blow charges do damage based on your weapon in all forms, physical, cold, lightning, fire. 3. Infernal blow charge explosion rolls as an independent hit for 66% * charges * weapon damage (potentially * crit multi if you crit). I do not know if the charge explosion damage is also reflected but I suspect it is, I suspect it is not secondary damage but primary damage. From my testing, it seems it has more in common with Eathquakes aftershock effect than normal secondary damage explosions. |
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