[2.6] The Curse Whisperer - Tri-Curse CI Whispering Ice Elementalist - Viable for Everything

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monkuar wrote:
So it looks like Kelvyn hit 70 on his Inquisitor.

Eager to find out what the conclusion will be. I level'd up a templar and a witch this league so I am ready ;)

I'm a bit casual in this league, so don't expect a Shaper kill within a week. :) Going thru the maps methodically unlocking them all while leveling. You can level to 80 in the Dried Lake in no time, but I rather enjoy all those new maps with new bosses. I'll catch up to lv 91-94 quickly when I get to T15 and will have 20/20 gems by then as well.


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Yukohama wrote:
How about Occulist??

bad?

OCC would be a totally different play style, more like Firestorm. Dodging instead of facetanking. Your ES is never full while facetanking, and no amount of ES regen can save you from the endgame bosses. OCC would also lack DPS badly. There is an OCC WI build, but I don't see it being efficient as the endgame.


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Rivx wrote:
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RoCKeTs wrote:
You can find them for 5c if you are patient and know how to use live search.


I had it on for like two days and only got a 14% for 5c, not counting one poor guy that listed his 15% for 1c which got snatched up instantly. Meaning it is definitely not the price you should expect to get it at.

I also noticed that this item attracted the attention of 'pro' flippers who run continuous search for it, insta-snatch anything cheap and then list it for 1ex+. F those guys. Do not pay them, flip a finger to them instead. The difference between 14% and 15% is about 10 Int (depending on your particular situation). 13-14% is fine. Good luck to the flippers trying to buy out all of those.


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Shiverwarp wrote:
Augh, 6S woes on my whispering ice. Should have just used Vorici. Spent 440 jewellers, and I'm back at 4S.

You are doing it wrong. Roll the staff manually until you get 5S which is very easy. Then use that staff and buy ANOTHER ONE which you can roll in hopes for 6S. You will want 2 staves to hot swap eventually anyway. And when you have Vorici leveled up it's more reliable to use him than to rely on RNG.


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SupervAn wrote:
u say u leapslam fast with faster attack 20/20? gtfo cause its so slow u can never outjump from a flameblast, this is a god damn standard build, just admit it.

and dont tell us to use other skills like flame dash cause u dont and no slots left. g t f o standardbuild.

Leap Slam is used to get TO the enemy and proc Fortify. The play style description in the guide is quite clear, no? Why would you want to leap out of a flameblast anyway? You can eat Uber Atziri's flameblast (see the video). The only flameblast you want to get out of is Atziri's giant twin blast, but it's slow enough to just dodge on foot.

People who play the build wrong and then complain about it never cease to amuse me. Especially when they complain about the things that the guide does not say at all.


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sammet9 wrote:
What is you opinion about the lab ladder only unique jewels? The uber and the cruel both can give % bonus to intelligence. I think 13% more int is worth two jewel socket, or not ?

Tried them. Not worth it. A high rolled Izaro or a 4-mod rare is better and costs a LOT less than those lab jewels. If the people who monopolize the lab ladder and claim them every single day were lees greedy, those jewels could be considered an alternative to medium Izaros.



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schattenwulf wrote:
Wanted to ask the opinion about using hypothermia to replace one of the other supports. It's more damage on chilled targets - and since ice storm creates chilled ground, it chills pretty much any enemy even while doing fire damage. It has a little less 'more damage' than other supports, but doesn't have any drawback like disabling status ailments, crits or reduced area of effect. Could it be worth using over one of the others?

Icestorm chilled ground works regardless of the disabled status ailments, it's a separate effect. But every single one of the T16 bosses is immune to chill, and so is Uber Atziri. Also, Hypothermia is already inferior to every gem we use in the staff for DPS.


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Czerpakistan wrote:
ripped to duo core today at 89. don't seem to be able to leach from the hearts enough(or at all really) to stay alive. bummed. shav' dropped me a t16 though so ayeee

The hearts are hard to target, you need to find a spot near them to cast Icestorm.


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CRYSTALFINWEEED wrote:
Hey, I'm in essence league and doing this build. Currently i'm lvl 89 Ascendant, as your build at the beginning of the season said to do ascendant. I am now looking to max my build out in order to do Shaper. I just looked at your guide and now everything is switch to elementalist . Is Ascendant still viable for this build to do Shaper? Or do i have to make a witch?
Spoiler

Here is my current gear:


I just switched over to Pyre and refunded the Avatar of Fire.

The Scion version is viable, although I haven't done the Shaper with her yet. The Scion version is better with AoF+CtF, although the difference is not big. You are using only 2 curses though, I don't know if that's viable for T16 or not. Your boots need upgrading too.


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GladiatorUA wrote:
Warning about Volcano(t14) boss. He is somewhat tough for this build without prep.

- It's a totem, so it's immune to curses. Life leech is not the issue, because it summons a lot of smaller totems, but mana is.
- AFAIK, totems are also immune to crits, so no buff from keystone.
- It has Elemental Equilibrium and blasts you with frost and fire shredding your resists.

Ruby and/or maybe Saphire flasks are required. Mana flask can be nice. Switch Blasphemy for Purity of fire. Avoid -resist and Ele Weakness map mods. Get a non-curse ring, preferably to overcap resists.

I haven't noticed any changes to the Volcano boss. It's trivial to me, no need for any special prep/flasks. The standard 'roflstomp' approach works fine. Did you have some unusual mods perhaps?


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Thefatpunk wrote:
How important do you find temporal chains on the new bosses? Like, the 4 new and the shaper. So far I can handle all content I've encountered with it - but I'm not a currency machine and had a unlucky run on my map pool, so sadly I haven't had the chance to try them after getting a ton of upgrades.

TC is still great and helpful against the T16 bosses and Rigwald. Not sure about the Shaper though, he's kinda like Atziri in that his attacks are not about speed. So that one remains to be seen. I haven't done him without TC and can't say how much worse he'd be.

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Also. How important do you find auxium? I've been running a crystal belt with int roll instead, which I love. I so far had no rips to getting frozen, just make sure to have a flask ready to counter the freeze if needed. The build has quite some hp compared to other CI builds due to our high base strength, so I actually don't find myself being frozen almost ever. Even in T14-T15 maps.

Having a crystal belt also helps out with the resistances, actually making the res nodes down in the strength part of the tree somewhat not important - freeing up 1-4 points on the skill tree. As I only run 2 curses I used to run dreamfragments, which I can now replace with a good rare ring (more int, es and damage rolls) - and then just switch in the dream fragment ring if I would need freeze immunity on a certain boss.

Auxium is very important unless you are really, really pro-active with flasks. It's a great QoL thing for those of us who don't have fast fingers. I know the new crystal belts are tempting. But the Shaper does LOTS of cold damage, and so does the Hydra. I have not tried them without Auxium and cannot say for sure though if that's a good idea.

One of the reasons I chose to try Inquisitor for this league is his immunity to ele status ailments (on consecrated ground, which he creates all the time) that solves the Auxium vs Crystal dilemma for that class. But that's still an experiment.


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48ralenwol wrote:
question: what level enlighten i need to use the 3th aura?

Lv 2


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SupervAn wrote:
this standard build is so bad and not tanky at all, good leech will get u oneshoted anyway and the belt is the most worthless piece of shit.

You clearly don't understand how this build works or how to play it properly. You can stop embarassing yourself now. Go play BV CoC or something.


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partyboy79 wrote:
1st izaro phase was fine, the second one, I've been one shot in the start of the fight with his wave (radiant slash). Got 6,7k es for the moment.

What is your technique to fight him ?

You got him with the charges? That's the worst possible buff you can let him have. The video in the top post actually has him with max charges, but you need to be super careful about facetanking him on a day when he has charges. You need 7.5k ES or more to facetank him with max charges, and you also must keep Fortify up. Much easier to just not let him get the charges and get 1 less key.. Touch the charge disruptors.
Last edited by Kelvynn#6607 on Sep 19, 2016, 7:07:52 PM
Kelvynn, do you have experience with the reflect of the Racecourse boss? I asked it earlier but didn't seem people had a concrete answer whether our leech was good enough to not have to worry about it.
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Shiverwarp wrote:
Kelvynn, do you have experience with the reflect of the Racecourse boss? I asked it earlier but didn't seem people had a concrete answer whether our leech was good enough to not have to worry about it.

I don't remember doing it on my Witch. My lv 75 Templar died to his reflect the very first time I met him since I didn't expect it at all. But the boss died to Icestorm he cast anyway. I'll check it out on the Witch tonight and let you know.
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Kelvynn wrote:

I don't remember doing it on my Witch. My lv 75 Templar died to his reflect the very first time I met him since I didn't expect it at all. But the boss died to Icestorm he cast anyway. I'll check it out on the Witch tonight and let you know.


Thanks much! I feel like he may be one of the things I'll have to avoid while playing Hardcore.
6s whispering ice √
2 legacy perandus signet √
lv2 enlighten √
jews √
black sun √
Auxium √
Astramentis √

off color black sun+glove+boots, 1000 chromes spent, ×

burnt out

bye-bye
8k es can you facetank strongest vagan with high critmod and light dmg?

can you do promenade thorn boss?
Last edited by SupervAn#7023 on Sep 19, 2016, 8:45:07 PM
Honestly havent struggled with much on this build. i think the hardest thing for me is learning where to properly place icestorm for certain fights. I kill normal atziri decently, though i have ripped 3 or more portals due to not being able to leech through her reflect, and flameblasts. so i know i cant do uber at this point. dont really know what im missing though. a bit puzzled.
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SupervAn wrote:
8k es can you facetank strongest vagan with high critmod and light dmg?

can you do promenade thorn boss?


Ah the promenade lightning thorns was one I was curious about as well.
So tried shaper for the first time yesterday @ lvl 92 in essence with this build. Went ok got him to about 50% before I ran out of portals. All the previous bosses were easy except Hyrda. She keeps running out of the icestorm & because I don't use the Axuium the chill was an issue.

Things I need to change:

I currently don't use orb of storms at all. I use Vaal Discipline in my 1 free slot, which is of very limited use in the shaper fight.

I was using faster casting rather than elemental focus. This was for QOL for temp chains maps that I forgot to swap.

More damage. Can't out leech the balls or the laser. Laser is super easy to avoid so there's no need to take that damage but the balls he fires... I think to keep up enough DPS I need to be able to leech through those. Then again if I 3x curse on hit with the orb I don't have to be in his face to leech mana.

ES is too low (8.2k atm). Currently using an 800es +54 int chest I was able to craft as I can't afford the 900+ ES +int ones.

Int is currently @ 1400. Got 18% WI and 15% Black sun crest /w 3 off colours so nowhere to upgrade there. Chest, belt, gloves have 50+ int and boots have 40.

Biggest problems I had with the fight was avoiding his teleport smash. I can easily avoid it /w a movement flask. I cannot avoid it @ 27% movement speed even if I start running before he starts casting. I didn't try to leap slam out but that may work as I have +15% leap slam attack speed on my helmet (0.67 attack speed on it).

What I think need to upgrade before my next attempt (here's where I need some advice).
Get more ES 9k should be helpful 10k would be best but that's a lot of exalts at the moment.
Get 30% move speed boots.

Setup specific change for shaper fight
Run 3x atziris promise flask 2x sapphire flasks /w freeze / chill immunity
-reasoning more damage, more leech = less degen balls
-more resists will maybe let me tank the balls

Run 4x sulfur flasks of ??? like in the video but don't try and tank the balls

Run 3x curse on orb of storms in 5 link chest.
Run boosted purity of ice + arctic armour in the helmet with the freed up slot (will need a 2nd helm as it needs to be GGBB now instead of BBBR).

The dream.
Get a 900+ 50+ int chest (lol $)
Get a +1 curse astamentus (lol $)
Gloves 200+ ES with 50+ int and resists & attack speed and 3 off colours (lol $)

Random question:
Has anyone tested pre-casting a regular immortal call before he does his teleport smash? It may be a physical / cold damage & being able to absorb it would be a decent dps boost.

Thoughts?
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sharbe wrote:
6s whispering ice √
2 legacy perandus signet √
lv2 enlighten √
jews √
black sun √
Auxium √
Astramentis √

off color black sun+glove+boots, 1000 chromes spent, ×

burnt out

bye-bye

Legacy, i.e. you are in Standard and have Vorici lv 6 available? Are you aware that Vorici 3X costs only 120 chroms now since 2.4? You need 1-2 attempts on each item to get the 4th socket right. If you don't have a lot of chroms there are cheaper alternative color schemes in the Links section.


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Czerpakistan wrote:
Honestly havent struggled with much on this build. i think the hardest thing for me is learning where to properly place icestorm for certain fights. I kill normal atziri decently, though i have ripped 3 or more portals due to not being able to leech through her reflect, and flameblasts. so i know i cant do uber at this point. dont really know what im missing though. a bit puzzled.

Normal Atziri can be cheesed with Inc AoE gem. Have you done the Lab and taken Paragon of Calamity? Are you not targeting the center of the room? Are you forgetting to pop Ruby flasks? Forgetting to take out TC and getting slowed?

You also don't have to brute force through the reflect, it's mostly just for show. You can simply wait till you see which statue is not mirror and cast on it (with CE, not AoE).
Last edited by Kelvynn#6607 on Sep 19, 2016, 10:33:20 PM

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