[2.6] The Curse Whisperer - Tri-Curse CI Whispering Ice Elementalist - Viable for Everything

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JSLove wrote:

how good do you think this build is for boss farming whispering ice. hardcore wise and such shaper and uber atrizr and guardians mostly to constant boss farm

HC Uber Atziri and Shaper farming? I would not recommend this build for that. Deaths happen. This is a facetank build. To do that stuff in HC without ever dying you need a build that does all the damage for you while you are free to run around and dodge. And preferably something cheap too so that whenever you do die you just lose the leveling time. Something with totems probably.

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Kurnis wrote:

Damn, Kelvynn. Where did you get so much currency? we are both level 90 but the gear you have is so crazy expensive. Find something super rare or is there some other currency method you recommend? or is it all from the wallet?

Crazy expensive?? My chest armor was 4 ex and Astramentis 1 ex (bought 11/81, 2 Blessed and 2 Divine later it's 16/96), that's it for the expensive part. Boots and gloves with 150 es, Int and some resists are not expensive at all, I picked them last to finish the resists after everything else was done. Crystal belt you buy a 30c base and a few Spite essences and roll it until you get 2 res mods. I got lucky to get one with an open prefix to add movespeed, but that's luxury. WI 1c. 14% Black Sun 5c. Doedre's Damning 2c. Perandus Signet 15c. I don't even have any jewels better than 15c.

So then I killed Uber and she dropped a Disfavor, and all that is instantly paid for itself.

If that's crazy expensive - don't even look at the endgame builds that recommend having 10k+ ES and 6L :)

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quateras wrote:

Big thanks Kelvynn for actually playing Whispering Ice this league again and updating your Guide, appreciate the effort buddy.

A couple more updates and a video coming later tonight when I get to lv 92 and do the Shaper again. I did him a few times at lv 89 right after Uber Atziri, but that felt a little bit too rippy for my taste, always some random thing would go wrong and I'd die 1 or 2 times. At 92 with another jewel it should be painless enough for a video.

Going to also include Doedre's Scorn as a leveling item. And Vigilant Strike instead of Fortify - it's not hard to target at all after the recent patch where they improved single target skills.

Hey mate, started with PoE recently as a new player, really liked your build and heavily invested myself into the game to build the character. It's been going great, however now i'm somewhat stuck at Shaper after killing guardians without big issues. It seems like my damage is just not enough. My tooltip DPS is about 2-3k lower than what you have in your screenshot.(i've just under 6k DPS with golems up (ice+fire). Could you please check my gear and tell me what I'm doing wrong? I'd be so grateful.

Edit: The only thing I can think of is that i'm somewhat lower level and have yet to get 2 more jewels + some 50 int from the tree, but my int is still 1553 already.

Best regards

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Sessvisto wrote:

Btw. It's worth to use vaal orb on whispering ice staff? If i get inc area effect by corrupting its work as 8L?

It doesn't work on Icestorm because it's not a socketed gem. 18% Block is already the best implicit you can have.

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MajorM wrote:

Hey guys, i recently acquired these boots with 80% stun avoidance. Is there any way I could make use of that enchant by somehow speccing out of Unwavering Stance?

It has a condition 'if you've killed recently', i.e. you will get stunned if you haven't. It's possible to play like that, the Berserker version has a slightly better feature and carries The Writhing Jar for encounters like Chimera. But Berserker has 100% on it and a lot higher leech that often bails him out when he gets stunned while Icestorm is going on. It will be less safe for the Elementalist to play like that.

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dbush2765 wrote:

How's this build at farming full key Uber Lab?

There are multiple videos of this build doing full key Uber Lab with all class versions, check the Video sections of the 4 threads.

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spillo90 wrote:

I have another questione. I've been levelling using vaal Ice Nova and it was a big help in some situation. Do u think it may be worth using it in a CwDT set-up?

Vaal skills cannot be triggered. And after the nerf to Vaal Discipline there is no reason to use any Vaal skills with this build anymore.

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Sessvisto wrote:

I'm almost sure perandus signet is useless with 4 uniques.

I got unique helmet, staff, belt and amulet. Soon i will change belt for rare, and ring for unique +1 curse, so it will be still 4 uniques.

Resist ring with +53 int gives me exacly 70 int right now with perfect sun crest and perfect whispering ice staff.

Perandus ring give me 102 int with 4 uniques (with unique ring it would be 137, but then i need to change it for rare crystal belt, so still 102).

So it's only 30 int difference, when in ring we can have good resists, more spell dmg, energy shield etc.

I think perandus signet is not worth it after nerf. What you will say guys?

I just checked with my current gear. The recommended 4 uniques + 2% Perandus Signet (it does count itself as a 5th unique).

No ring (empty slot): 1535 Int
Perandus Signet: 1651 Int
Rare ring with 46 Int (I leveled with that): 1596 Int

The guide mentions that a very good Opal ring can do pretty well. It has to be VERY good. And cost a whole lot more than Perandus. But here's the thing: the higher you level and the higher your Int grows the more Int Perandus gives you. Eventually it will overtake even the best Opal. And then there is a 3% legacy Perandus Signet which is not hard at all to find in Standard even after this league is done.

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Sessvisto wrote:

It's very important to level up Scorching Ray to 20lvl? Levels in this gem changes only DPS from scor ray, right? Cuz i have sometimes mana issues when killing boss from range.

On 1 level SCOR ray i would have 4 mana cost per sec instead of 14. This 3k dps not change anything i guess?

Good point. You can save a lot of mana by using lv 1 SR when/if you need to. It can be a good swap gem for No Regen maps.

SR's own dps is a nice bonus, and it's very useful against Proximity Shield (which protects only against hit, SR ignores it) - a lot of Lab sentries have Proximity Shield. With the endgame gear SR does 30-40k DPS at the final stage when linked with EF.

During leveling SR's dps is not as insignificant as in the endgame. If you are running out of mana then you are not keeping things in your WM aura. You don't need to range kill anything, at least not from such a long range.

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Xslayers wrote:

hi been playing this as my first real hardcore legacy league character. Are there alot of other people in HC here playing this? I'm up to lvl 87 and up to t10 maps, and its been cake the whole way. Just wondering what are some limitations to playing this in hardcore.

Endgame is the limitation. This build steamrolls everything below T16 and Uber Atziri. But if you want to do those targets you have to be VERY careful and better know those encounters by heart with all the little things that can happen. ONE mistake and it's over. Same as with any other build, I suppose. But this is not cheap to gear to the endgame level. That's why you see all sorts of cheap totem builds being used for HC endgame - if you die you just level another char and continue.

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JediOnTilt wrote:

I don't get it. When Warlords mark runs as an aura I can only have enough mana for either Discipline OR arctic armor, but not both. What am I missing?

Same question.
What to do if I dont want to spend the socket for Enlighten?
Atm Kelvynn have WM/Disc/AA/Blash on his helm.
So should I get more intel on gear or mana?

I don't understand your problem. SR lv 20 costs 14 mana. I have 74 free mana at this level. That's 5 casts of SR. I can even do No Regen maps without changing anything. You can see me killing Chimera with No Regen in the demo video. How is mana an issue for you?

Use lv 2 Scorching Ray for 4 mana cost if it's really a big deal.

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lazycalm2 wrote:

Could I replace, let's say, Temporal Chains, with a dps curse or maybe drop arctic armour for other aura?

You can trade safety for DPS by replacing defensive curses with offensive ones (Flammability, EW). But it's not worth it. In the maps below T16 you don't need that extra DPS, everything already dies faster than you can read its name. But it just makes you vulnerable to nasty mod combos. You roll a map to some insane IIQ/IIR bonus but get a lot of nasty mods, and then you really wish you had those curses.

However, T16/Shaper/Uber is where the difference is really noticeable. I always use Hydra as the prime example. Do her with 3 curses, then do her with 2 curses and feel the difference.

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Sessvisto wrote:

Just bought essence of spite for 1 alchem and crafted it. It's good for our build or should i try get 2x res and es?

This is a decent belt for this build. 2 resist mods is better than 1, but 1 will do when it's 40+. I get a good chest and roll a belt first, then look for boots/gloves with the rest of the resists.

If you have a free prefix (scour that WED), add a QoL option:
a) +life will make you get frozen less often in +cold dmg maps;
b) +movespeed will give you more freedom when looking for boots.

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Levirael wrote:

For this build it's better to just scour-spite-scour-spite till you get something good.

You don't need to scour when crafting with high tier essences (Shrieking or Deafening). They act like a Chaos and just reroll the item with 1 guaranteed mod.

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Relivator wrote:

I found the amulet en crafted the belt but they seem really good for HOWA
Would 1ex for the amulet and 2ex for the belt be a good price?

That belt is not good even for HOWA (you can craft that amount of WED on a much better belt). Just reroll it with Spite. And you really should get Astramentis by now ;)

What part of my gear would you recomend I focused on changing out first?

Any version for no-dps pure 5-6curse supporter?

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Sunshine80 wrote:

Any version for no-dps pure 5-6curse supporter?

this build is a carry, not a supporter.

you can, however, craft a hybrid. something along the lines of this build: https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1697785


note that you yourself will be weaker with that setup, compared to kelvynn's guide; and that you will be a mediocre supporter at best. imho not worth it.

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Iampurezz wrote:

Hey mate, started with PoE recently as a new player, really liked your build and heavily invested myself into the game to build the character. It's been going great, however now i'm somewhat stuck at Shaper after killing guardians without big issues. It seems like my damage is just not enough. My tooltip DPS is about 2-3k lower than what you have in your screenshot.(i've just under 6k DPS with golems up (ice+fire). Could you please check my gear and tell me what I'm doing wrong? I'd be so grateful.

Edit: The only thing I can think of is that i'm somewhat lower level and have yet to get 2 more jewels + some 50 int from the tree, but my int is still 1553 already.

Your characters are hidden. But you're probably right about too low level/DPS. As I mentioned above, I killed the Shaper at lv 89 with the same gear as Uber Atziri, but I felt a bit underpowered. It should go a lot better at lv 92 with more/better jewels.

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Purdurabo12 wrote:

What part of my gear would you recomend I focused on changing out first?

Spoiler

Chest, then gloves.