[2.6] The Curse Whisperer - Tri-Curse CI Whispering Ice Elementalist - Viable for Everything

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Relivator wrote:

Is it possible to start casting on the statues when you can identify them and still kill uber atziri easy?
I can't equip sibyl's lament because i need the res on my 2nd ring.

Yes, just a little more risky. With any other class I look above the head of the front statue, you can see if it's holding the mirror or not pretty early. If it does then target the back statue. And start casting.

When you pre-cast before they appear they die before doing the Stormcalls. If you wait till you can see them then they do the Stormcalls and you have to dodge them. You can survive the Flameblast easily with PoF, AA and flask, but Stormcalls can 1-shot you if you don't have lv 4 Enhanced curses and 30% Enfeeble enchant. So it's not as safe as pre-casting but still not really dangerous. You can see the red stormcalls thru the Icestorm ground just fine.

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Sessvisto wrote:

You should go in perfect rolls if u want to be perfect sir :)

Re: Doedre's Scorn. I'm not going to bother replying to the person who doesn't bother reading the very next sentence after the one he's contesting and thinks that insults add weight to his opinion.

It's a good leveling helm. Lv 39 makes it perfect for the latest version with the switch to CI at lv 39 with Icetomb. I'm going to add it to the leveling guide with the next update.

However, it's just a temporary placeholder for Black Sun. The math on it was done long time ago, and I remember that by 1500 Int Black Sun was already clearly better. But I was talking to another player today who was still leveling in the 80s and had 1312 Int with a 12% Black Sun and a tight budget. I suggested that he should try Doedre's Scorn for now, he got an almost perfect one for something like 2c. And that resulted in a loss of Int AND ES AND tooltip. So the threshold of Scorn's usefulness is somewhere around 1300 Int, but by 1400-1500 Black Sun is clearly superior.

And the increased damage per curse? It's Increased, not MORE, so it's not a big deal to start with. But you don't even have 3 curses until lv 85 (unless you take Whispers of Doom before US, but that's just unsafe in high tiers). And you don't need 3 curses until the endgame. And if you level while working your way thru the Atlas and upgrading your gear, then by the time you get 3 curses you are already over 1300 Int.

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Purdurabo12 wrote:

Anyone have any clue if these are worth anything?

162 resistances, 25 movement speed and they have space for a life or armour and/or energy shield mastercraft.

0 Int = worthless to this build. Or HOWA for that matter. Good for some other build that doesn't care about Int maybe. Although ES is very low too, and no Life. You only craft so much. Dunno.

Sorry I know that this has been asked and answered in this tread, but I can't seem to find it.

What are the steps needed to create a nice Crystal Belt for this build?

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Kelvynn wrote:

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Sessvisto wrote:

You should go in perfect rolls if u want to be perfect sir :)

Re: Doedre's Scorn. I'm not going to bother replying to the person who doesn't bother reading the very next sentence after the one he's contesting and thinks that insults add weight to his opinion.

It's a good leveling helm. Lv 39 makes it perfect for the latest version with the switch to CI at lv 39 with Icetomb. I'm going to add it to the leveling guide with the next update.

However, it's just a temporary placeholder for Black Sun. The math on it was done long time ago, and I remember that by 1500 Int Black Sun was already clearly better. But I was talking to another player today who was still leveling in the 80s and had 1312 Int with a 12% Black Sun and a tight budget. I suggested that he should try Doedre's Scorn for now, he got an almost perfect one for something like 2c. And that resulted in a loss of Int AND ES AND tooltip. So the threshold of Scorn's usefulness is somewhere around 1300 Int, but by 1400-1500 Black Sun is clearly superior.

And the increased damage per curse? It's Increased, not MORE, so it's not a big deal to start with. But you don't even have 3 curses until lv 85 (unless you take Whispers of Doom before US, but that's just unsafe in high tiers). And you don't need 3 curses until the endgame. And if you level while working your way thru the Atlas and upgrading your gear, then by the time you get 3 curses you are already over 1300 Int.

I didnt say anything about which one is better, i just hate light radius in sun crest.
Got 15% int sun crest and max rolled doedre's scorn.

I dont have sockets to check it with golems, but without them and without eternal overload sun crest gave me about 400~avg more damage. With sun crest i got 8200 es and 1543 int, with doedre's i got 8789 es and 1420 int. I dont know how dmg works with those 3 curses boost, but i will check it when i get right socket colours.

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Sessvisto wrote:

I dont have sockets to check it with golems, but without them and without eternal overload sun crest gave me about 400~avg more damage. With sun crest i got 8200 es and 1543 int, with doedre's i got 8789 es and 1420 int. I dont know how dmg works with those 3 curses boost, but i will check it when i get right socket colours.

Sounds about right. At your level Scorn loses you about 100 Int. That's your Icestorm base damage, duration, and ES too. The better your gear becomes the more you get from Black Sun.

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Kelvynn wrote:

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Sessvisto wrote:

I dont have sockets to check it with golems, but without them and without eternal overload sun crest gave me about 400~avg more damage. With sun crest i got 8200 es and 1543 int, with doedre's i got 8789 es and 1420 int. I dont know how dmg works with those 3 curses boost, but i will check it when i get right socket colours.

Sounds about right. At your level Scorn loses you about 100 Int. That's your Icestorm base damage, duration, and ES too. The better your gear becomes the more you get from Black Sun.

Btw. do u think it's worth it to wear perandus signet with only 4 uniques? Maybe i should change it for +1 curse ring?

That's my current gear: (i need this shity rare ring to have some res)


+ fertile mind jewel, 2 x brute force solution, +2x izaro's turmoil

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Sessvisto wrote:

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Kelvynn wrote:

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Sessvisto wrote:

I dont have sockets to check it with golems, but without them and without eternal overload sun crest gave me about 400~avg more damage. With sun crest i got 8200 es and 1543 int, with doedre's i got 8789 es and 1420 int. I dont know how dmg works with those 3 curses boost, but i will check it when i get right socket colours.

Sounds about right. At your level Scorn loses you about 100 Int. That's your Icestorm base damage, duration, and ES too. The better your gear becomes the more you get from Black Sun.

Btw. do u think it's worth it to wear perandus signet with only 4 uniques? Maybe i should change it for +1 curse ring?

That's my current gear: (i need this shity rare ring to have some res)

+ fertile mind jewel, 2 x brute force solution, +2x izaro's turmoil

I count 5 though? Or does the ring itself not count?

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MajorM wrote:

Well Relivator, I have spent over 120c on chroms to try and get RRRG on these... and look what that's done for me.

Use Vorici 3R, it's by far the best way to do it. Prepare 1k chroms and go. Took me 6 tries in this league, pretty average in my experience:

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Kelvynn wrote:

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MajorM wrote:

Well Relivator, I have spent over 120c on chroms to try and get RRRG on these... and look what that's done for me.

Use Vorici 3R, it's by far the best way to do it. Prepare 1k chroms and go. Took me 6 tries in this league, pretty average in my experience:

You can have that setup on your Black Sun Crest, though maybe the +1 to gems is better for the blasphemy setup+extra skill?

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Sessvisto wrote:

Btw. do u think it's worth it to wear perandus signet with only 4 uniques? Maybe i should change it for +1 curse ring?

Spoiler

That's my current gear: (i need this shity rare ring to have some res)

+ fertile mind jewel, 2 x brute force solution, +2x izaro's turmoil

You have 5 uniques. Yes, with 1500 Int and 5 uniques Perandus should already be giving you over 100 Int.

With that stuff (6L chest! gimme!!) why don't you have a crystal belt yet? Buy a 30c base, buy Spite essences that you can afford (Deafening ~15c, Shrieking ~6-7c) and roll it until you get 2 res mods. It doesn't have to be perfect. Belts have very few possible mods, it rarely takes more than 5-7 tries to get a good one. And then you can swap that ring for Perandus (15c).

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Levirael wrote:

You can have that setup on your Black Sun Crest, though maybe the +1 to gems is better for the blasphemy setup+extra skill?

Use Black Sun for it, of course, until you can afford to off-color gloves or boots. +1 level to CWDT/IC/golems you won't even notice, it's just a budget option. But +1 lv to Discipline, AA and Blasphemy is nice.