[2.6] The Curse Whisperer - Tri-Curse CI Whispering Ice Elementalist - Viable for Everything

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YodaJM wrote:

Until the guide is updated for CwC, what would the recommended staff gem setup be while leveling? Right now I'm lvl 45 and my staff is 5S, 4L. I am currently using SE - FC - EF - LL - FP but would like to try out CwC.

Thanks!

I wouldnt use conc during leveling, so I'd use:

SR - CWC - Ele Focus - Life Leech - Fire Pen

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Black_Gun wrote:

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YodaJM wrote:

Until the guide is updated for CwC, what would the recommended staff gem setup be while leveling? Right now I'm lvl 45 and my staff is 5S, 4L. I am currently using SE - FC - EF - LL - FP but would like to try out CwC.

Thanks!

I wouldnt use conc during leveling, so I'd use:

SR - CWC - Ele Focus - Life Leech - Fire Pen

Thanks, I'll try that out.

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Graiaule wrote:

@dro0p : how do you handle being frozen?

Uberlab is a matter of taste. I did a lab farmer last league and now I can't stand the place.

I have no idea tbh. I use a kiara's flask, I barely get frozen. Maybe there is another utility in the build? Usually when I encounter certain bosses or harder packs I pop a couple of flasks and everything dies. I assume the kiara prevents me from getting frozen?

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dro0p wrote:

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Graiaule wrote:

@dro0p : how do you handle being frozen?

I have no idea tbh. I use a kiara's flask, I barely get frozen. Maybe there is another utility in the build? Usually when I encounter certain bosses or harder packs I pop a couple of flasks and everything dies. I assume the kiara prevents me from getting frozen?

Ahh right the Kiara's gives you freeze immunity, missed that part of the text. A normal heat flask will give you twice the duration of the Kiara's.

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mrutomi wrote:

Just wanted to pick your brain a bit on how to value jewels. If you have the first corrupted gem at a 30 value and other at a 38-42 value, how would you value izaro? would you value a perfect izaro (25 fire and 25 ice) as a 50 value? Or would you say its a bit lower since it doesn't give intelligence. if cold dmg is worth 1 point, would int also be worth 1 point? I just rechecked my tooltip and i'm at 5800 dps.

After leveling gems and upgrading jewels, what would be the next thing I'd need to upgrade to prep for the shaper fight? I have roughly 6ex of currency I can spend now on upgrades.

Yes, perfect Izaro's Turmoil is 50 value.

Int is slightly better than raw damage but not by much and it can give you a little more if you manage to hit a threshold (minor every 10 Int or major every 100 Int; see Icestorm). I'd say 10 Int is as valuable as 11-12% inc dmg. But for simplicity it's fine to just sum the values and don't worry about that.

Other than gems and jewels, the gear you linked is already enough for the Shaper. Chest and boots could use more ES and gloves could use more Int, but that's just fine-tuning.

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mortallol wrote:

You dont need 20 lvl gems coz of +1 from WI. Most support gems 21 lvl=20 lvl.

Of course you do need lv 20 gems! Gem power increases exponentially. +1 level from WI is already a part of the build. Lv 21 gems for EF, CE, FP are even more awesome. Those are expensive. But everybody can make 20/20 and you definitely do need that if you want to be serious about endgame.

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Black_Gun wrote:

@kelvynn:

since you're playing as berserker this season: how do you feel about having stun immunity only when you've killed recently? I personally have been a proponent of "we dont really need unwavering stance", so I'd be curious what you think about the "4s stun immunity" vs "permanent stun immunity".

Immunity while killing is just fine. I love the Berserker version. Extra DPS and leech are totally worth some extra care about stun on some bosses (just 3 that I found; The Writhing Jar 4tw). And just make sure to cast Icestorm before you leap into the pack. As long as something dies soon, there is no stun.

I'm going to try the Scion version without US next: Juggernaut is immune to stun at max charges, i.e. while clearing with WM.

As for dropping US for the classes that don't get stun immunity in other ways - I'm still convinced that it's a bad idea. The danger of getting stunlocked comes from being hit hard enough by multiple attackers. That's exactly what can happen when you clear trash in high tiers with mods. 5 skill points is absolutely worth paying for not dying to random trash. Skyforth or Valyrium is a higher price than 5 points for that.

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Ettin wrote:

Just wanted to thank you for making the guide.
I did 40/40 in Essence league and 40/40 in Breach using the Witch version of this build.
The relevant chars are Deadly_Essence and Deadly_Breach - public if anyone wants to see.

I did all the achievements except Unique strongbox, Chayula domain (way too expensive) and Nemesis currency sextant (way too rare) myself.

Grats! I want to do 40/40 eventually, and on my own too (WI Berserker this time, but Elementalist can do it all just as easily). I bought a Chayula stone to run that since the splinters are way too rare, and I'm yet to find the Nemesis sextant mod (but I haven't spent any currency on sextants yet).

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The only map mod I skip is Hexproof - its doable, but too slow to bother.

Likewise. I value my time more than 1c to reroll a hexproof map rather than crawl thru it without curses. ))

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A quality of life improvement that is not mentioned in the guide - I use a high speed Quicksilver flask. It makes both Atziri and Shaper easier. Dodging the slam without a quicksilver can be iffy if some ping delay is present.

I use Quicksilver just for clear speed. But why are you dodging the Shaper?? I've posted the way to deal with that quite a while ago. Now it's completely trivial, even on Berserker who has no elemental defenses and takes 10% increased dmg.

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Main downside - For Breach league - speed. I've had some issues with the Uul-netol and Chayula domains, but solved those by removing Life Leech and slotting a Cold to Fire gem. Additionally removing the Weakness curse and using a Perandus signet instead of the Doedre ring increases DPS and can be helpful in the domains too.

The way to deal with Uul and Chayula has also been posted a few pages back. I'll need to update the guides I guess:
Chayula
You are right about swapping Doedre's (although I use a high Int breach ring, 130 Int in breaches), but the other gem swaps should be Inc Duration instead of LL, and CD instead of CE.

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Ettin wrote:

The key to achievements this league is currency. You need currency for item IDs, divination cards, endgame grinds (silver coins, guardian maps, lab offerings, Atziri pieces, breach stones, etc.) and more. Forget about farming for everything yourself without trading, its not really possible.

Just like in any league in the last 2 years. :)) You can farm the currency to buy challenges faster than actually doing them yourself. But they are all possible with this build.

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ad09min80 wrote:

ons, is any good to replace CD whit firestorm gem in a 6s 4l staff? so u have 3 spells that do dmg? or the loss in dps of ice storm is not worth the dps increase of having firestorm?.
Links in staf are SR-Firestorm-CWC-CE an not linked LL and FP, some1 try this, is any good?

It will result in a massive loss of DPS, because:
1. Firestorm won't do anywhere near 45% of the DPS of Icestorm (CD is 45% MORE).
2. Both spells will lose 50% of their DPS because CwC will cast each of them once in 0.7 sec.

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Graiaule wrote:

@dro0p : how do you handle being frozen?

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YodaJM wrote:

Until the guide is updated for CwC, what would the recommended staff gem setup be while leveling? Right now I'm lvl 45 and my staff is 5S, 4L. I am currently using SE - FC - EF - LL - FP but would like to try out CwC.

Replace SE and FC with SR-CwC. Those 2 gems must be linked. You can link them with EF for some more DPS but that's optional. When you get 6S, add CE or CD.

Thanks Kelvynn!

Ok so.. as if I didn't already love playing this build enough...



This. just. dropped for me.

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bridgeburner wrote:

Ok so.. as if I didn't already love playing this build enough...

This. just. dropped for me.

congratulations. and fuck you.

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Kelvynn wrote:

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A quality of life improvement that is not mentioned in the guide - I use a high speed Quicksilver flask. It makes both Atziri and Shaper easier. Dodging the slam without a quicksilver can be iffy if some ping delay is present.

I use Quicksilver just for clear speed. But why are you dodging the Shaper?? I've posted the way to deal with that quite a while ago. Now it's completely trivial, even on Berserker who has no elemental defenses and takes 10% increased dmg.

I'm not using Cast while Channeling - I did the achievements with the basic self cast Ice Storm build. Cast while Channeling seems way over the top to be honest.
I'm really not sure why, but in the second phase the Shaper jumps on me and 1-shots me with 8.5k ES. I have a second green slot helm for Purity of Ice and I run 3 curses plus Purity/Arctic Armor. It has happened repeatedly - its either wrong positioning on my side, or delay. I just found it easier to dodge the slam in phase 2. Tried Vaal Discipline but that activates slow sometimes, which confirms my suspicion that I have some weird issues. Seems something different from plain lag, because running away seems to work just fine.

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Kelvynn wrote:

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Main downside - For Breach league - speed. I've had some issues with the Uul-netol and Chayula domains, but solved those by removing Life Leech and slotting a Cold to Fire gem. Additionally removing the Weakness curse and using a Perandus signet instead of the Doedre ring increases DPS and can be helpful in the domains too.

The way to deal with Uul and Chayula has also been posted a few pages back. I'll need to update the guides I guess:
Chayula
You are right about swapping Doedre's (although I use a high Int breach ring, 130 Int in breaches), but the other gem swaps should be Inc Duration instead of LL, and CD instead of CE.

I failed a Chayula run once - Since I was steamrolling all content including other breach domains I just jumped in and wasn't really prepared for the short timer. For 3 ex a pop, I didn't really bother with trying again - the rewards aren't worth it. And to be honest, I didn't really follow the topic that closely, since I've already had some experience with the build.
20/20 Cold to Fire added quite a lot of damage for me and it was enough for Uul-Netol, I didn't really try with Increased Duration because Cold to Fire seemed to be enough.

Can anyone recommend a strong end game build that could utilize a lot of the same gear as this build? Im about to hit 90 with this (and loving it, downed Uber Atziri my first try ever) but im looking to switch it up without having to reinvest into new gear. Just cracked 8k ES, but would love to push it further with a build that doesnt require me to miss out on ES with the head/ring slots.