When Chris says that lab haters are a minority, how right is he?

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Okanitu wrote:

So...you created a poll...which a small minority of the forum users will answer...which in turn is a very small minority of the overall playerbase...


And you're wanting to somehow discredit Chris' statement with this?

I just dont even...

What did Chris base his statement on? Wasn't it is base on some private polling that was never reveal to the public or the playerbase? OP create a similar public poll. What make Chris' statement more trustworthy? We know nothing about those private polls. Don't you have to take it with a pinch of salt?

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deathflower wrote:

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Okanitu wrote:

So...you created a poll...which a small minority of the forum users will answer...which in turn is a very small minority of the overall playerbase...


And you're wanting to somehow discredit Chris' statement with this?

I just dont even...

What did Chris base his statement on? Wasn't it is base on some private polling that was never reveal to the public or the playerbase? OP create a similar public poll. What make Chris' statement more trustworthy? We know nothing about those private polls. Don't you have to take it with a pinch of salt?

people do lab cause they have to to get ascendancy points......

Chris statement is based on that and on runs in lab to get challenges.....remove challenges and ascend points from lab and 0 people will do lab

as simple as that

People need to understand that there is nothing wrong with "disliking the lab".

Just like some people dislike trading, maps or a certain act.

If you like it, chain it. If not, complete it for the points and move the fuck on. The end.

Go eat a snickers if that logic doesn't satisfy you.

Peace,

-Boem-

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BoondockSaint wrote:

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deathflower wrote:

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Okanitu wrote:

So...you created a poll...which a small minority of the forum users will answer...which in turn is a very small minority of the overall playerbase...


And you're wanting to somehow discredit Chris' statement with this?

I just dont even...

What did Chris base his statement on? Wasn't it is base on some private polling that was never reveal to the public or the playerbase? OP create a similar public poll. What make Chris' statement more trustworthy? We know nothing about those private polls. Don't you have to take it with a pinch of salt?

people do lab cause they have to to get ascendancy points......

Chris statement is based on that and on runs in lab to get challenges.....remove challenges and ascend points from lab and 0 people will do lab

as simple as that

Are you really sure it is base on that? You can run labs whether you like it or not like it. Sound weird but true... They do it for the rewards.

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Boem wrote:

People need to understand that there is nothing wrong with "disliking the lab".

Just like some people dislike trading, maps or a certain act.

If you like it, chain it. If not, complete it for the points and move the fuck on. The end.

Go eat a snickers if that logic doesn't satisfy you.

Peace,

-Boem-

I wish people could be logic :'(

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Boem wrote:

People need to understand that there is nothing wrong with "disliking the lab".

Just like some people dislike trading, maps or a certain act.

If you like it, chain it. If not, complete it for the points and move the fuck on. The end.

Go eat a snickers if that logic doesn't satisfy you.

Peace,

-Boem-

You run company that produces bread. People need to eat bread but your bread taste like shit. People have tons of choices and go buy bread from company who's bread doesn't taste like shit.

Now, as CEO of that company, do you continue to produce bread like you did and in more quantities or you listen to people when they tell you that your bread taste like shit and try to change things?

As a lab hater i dont need to do it, game is retardedly easy now so even 4 year old kids can play it, and i don't play it. At all, not even for points.

But that is not the point, point is lab is worst part of the game in this state, and LOGICAL thing would be to make improvments to it, not to release more of it in it's current state.

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BoondockSaint wrote:

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Boem wrote:

People need to understand that there is nothing wrong with "disliking the lab".

Just like some people dislike trading, maps or a certain act.

If you like it, chain it. If not, complete it for the points and move the fuck on. The end.

Go eat a snickers if that logic doesn't satisfy you.

Peace,

-Boem-

You run company that produces bread. People need to eat bread but your bread taste like shit. People have tons of choices and go buy bread from company who's bread doesn't taste like shit.

Now, as CEO of that company, do you continue to produce bread like you did and in more quantities or you listen to people when they tell you that your bread taste like shit and try to change things?

As a lab hater i dont need to do it, game is retardedly easy now so even 4 year old kids can play it, and i don't play it. At all, not even for points.

But that is not the point, point is lab is worst part of the game in this state, and LOGICAL thing would be to make improvments to it, not to release more of it in it's current state.

Bad and useless, taste is subjective

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Jayserix wrote:

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BoondockSaint wrote:

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Boem wrote:

People need to understand that there is nothing wrong with "disliking the lab".

Just like some people dislike trading, maps or a certain act.

If you like it, chain it. If not, complete it for the points and move the fuck on. The end.

Go eat a snickers if that logic doesn't satisfy you.

Peace,

-Boem-

You run company that produces bread. People need to eat bread but your bread taste like shit. People have tons of choices and go buy bread from company who's bread doesn't taste like shit.

Now, as CEO of that company, do you continue to produce bread like you did and in more quantities or you listen to people when they tell you that your bread taste like shit and try to change things?

As a lab hater i dont need to do it, game is retardedly easy now so even 4 year old kids can play it, and i don't play it. At all, not even for points.

But that is not the point, point is lab is worst part of the game in this state, and LOGICAL thing would be to make improvments to it, not to release more of it in it's current state.

Bad and useless, taste is subjective

in our case it's easy to figure it out.....no need for polls

remove ascend points and challenges from lab

see how many people play lab


but it's never gonna happen cause it would show how really bad lab is

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BoondockSaint wrote:

You run company that produces bread. People need to eat bread but your bread taste like shit. People have tons of choices and go buy bread from company who's bread doesn't taste like shit.

Nah, the bread tastes good, that's why we're still here, it just looks a bit on the bad side and cutting it yourself is annoying. The other companies sell you bread that looks better and it's already sliced for your convenience, but the taste isn't as good and you can't eat it for extended periods of time.

Just to be clear, personally I could tolerate the lab if it was just for ascendency.
I could even tolerate the lab for enchants if there was a less rng gated system in place for getting them (read FAR less rng).

What I cannot tolerate is setting in place this crazy rng gated end game lab hunt for enchants. Basically uber atziri all over again.
I can guess how endgame enchant hunting will go.
I see 3 main categories.

1. People that can afford to buy endless keys from players who happen across trials in low lvl maps, will run them and sell them for huge profit.
2. People that cant do it will sell the keys for small profit and never be able to afford the enchant.
3. People that can do it but cant afford to buy endless amounts of keys will be forced to run low tier maps to find trials to find keys to run lab to never get the crazy rng gated enchant.

Also note that trading for the enchant will not always be possible depending on what helm (possibly rare) that the enchant is needed on.

This is why it reminds me so much of uber atziri.

My 2 questions to GGG are.
1. What small % of the playerbase ever ran atziri let alone uber?
2. Is that a good investment of "donators" money?

While hunting for eq reduced duration I must have got about 5 golem elemental resistance enchants.
IF anybody who got 5 eq reduced duration enchants whilst looking for golem resistance plz let me know. Because the picture I get from talking to friends and guildies is that enchants are not evenly weighted but weighted to cause as much grief as possible.