State of Exile Community Podcast - Featuring Chris Wilson

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DedeX wrote:

Hi Chris,
it is very very sad and dissapointing statement about pvp.
Here is my subjective and personal point of view after 2 years LLD playing and 1 month HLD playing:

1. It seems like GGG listen to immature players saying: I dont play pvp becuse I dont like it, dont waist human resources for pvp and remove it.

Following that logic:
- me and most players dont like Labirynth, it is too long and boring, geting 3/300 enchantments is to rng and stupid. I have run it only for ascendancy points and will not do it again. Dont waist human resources and remove Lab from game.
-leveling Zana is to slow, i am 93 level and have Zana still level 7 (doing Zana rotas each day in game), her missions and maps are useless for me, remove Zana from game.
- melee skills are weak, slow, and boring, remove melee from game.
- most mid/ high level maps have bad layout, leave only Gorge/Plateau/Springs map, dont waist human resources for creating bad maps.

2. PVP is unbalnced beacause PVE is unbalanced. Fix PVE broken skills and dissable cwdt's and cws in PVP, and PVP will be very fine.
I am plying each day map rotas, t10-13 currentlly, what kind of build diversity we have in full party? BV discharge, spark, EA, LA, Bladefall, Ice Mine and ocassionaly 1 another skill. End of the list/

Each last temporary league were introduced op new skills, rly strong and even broken in comparison to other older skills. Now you are affraid to nerf/tune it down in the middle of league bc some1 will say: dont take the fun off. That way after 1 month of temp league we have miserable build diversity beacuse people want play only strong/op skills.


3. Map rotas. Pepople are looking only for Gorge/Plateau/ Springs rotas because they are good and fast layout maps, and easy bosses with chance to +2 map drop.
Current state of maping is that you have created crazy fast moving whirling blade and 50% move speed boots + 10-20% move speed helmet builds.
The same builds die/fail/stay away fighting tougher bosses.
Now we have brainless fast clearing easy maps builds population. Not much fun in party for well rounded builds able to clear and kill tougher maps/bosses. Having easy (good layout) map and tough boss in there would be much more fun imo. Bad layout map and easy boss would bring more balance for rotas/ mapping.


4. Act3 Sarn Arena and 1v1 mod is FULL and FUN in Perandus each day with Leo daily missions!
How come that almost each day someone is asking on pvp forum or in arena when will be next pvp-season? People are waiting for pvp-season.

People play pvp and they have fun. In opposite players who cant read/understand what they are reading dont have fun in pvp. How come that each day some1 enters Sarn Arena when Leo daily is for 1v1 and ask for let me kill you.... and your are listeninig to such players/

5. PVP is not for everyone. It is not for kids who cant loose and want "everything and now". PVP in POE requires patience, game mechanics knowleadge and some dedication.

Many players want to beat another player after entering Sarn Arena or 1v1 mod for the first time... then they loose and say wtf, wtf, wtf... pvp is stupid, i dont like it and i dont play it, dont waist resources for pvp... etc etc. It is dissapointing to see that someone is listening to such voices :(

Sorry for my english.

Talacura
Dede

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Rupenus wrote:

actually no, in marketing first thing they teach you is that, customer doesnt know what they want. the company establishes the needs of the customer. they produce the needs for the customer. there are no rewards for pvp, but there are rewards for racing.

while racing, some try hards become lvl 80 when you(approx speaking, the average people) are still struggling around lvl 50. do you blame game, or balance or luck? no, you blame yourself because there is a reward in the end and you want it. you wanna get better, you have to get better for the reward. same for pvp, when somebody comes to pvp sarn arena, he wants to be the king, the ruler, the boss of the arena. when he gets one shotted he blames pvp and pvp mechanics. why? cause he has no reason to play pvp at all. there are no rewards. people come just for ego masturbation which leads to nowhere and when they get beaten, they have no reason to get better and blaming GGG and poe pvp is always the best thing to do. most relieving way to deal with getting rekt.

poe pvp has been always a enjoyment for the rich, for the standart league players who can reach mirrored items and best items in slot. there are (used to) really exciting pvp matches going on in temp leagues also, but now the damages in game are so buffed that pvp is unplayable. GGG has never given a fuck about us. we tried to make poe pvp better for all of us. cause poe pvp is the most fun ive ever had from a game because how deep the characgter building and ho rich the possibilities are that you can build.

let me emphasize this part:
we tried to list the problems in pvp discussion forum in a very clear way, we mailed GGG. they were very thankful for the efforts we put to make pvp better and they promised us to look them after around the end of the year. we were waiting for that moment. with. big. hopes. and now... rhis.

and talking about profit based companies. let me give you a very known example to explain myself. do you know metallica? i was listening when i was 10-11 years old and it was amazing. you know their first 3-4 albums, they have done these albums with big enthusiasm and they put all their heart and mind to do these albums. but then? after 1992 they started getting profit based... they were more famous... more known... they were more fans of metallica everywhere. they had contracts with big companies. but after they become profit based and acting like company... after they lost their enthusiasm... now we all can agree that the music they do in close while is nowhere close to their first albums.

this is what happens with GGG. they are more known... more famous... getting more profit... more better... more more.... but the enthusiasm is gone. i REALLY liked the changes they did in pve and i still think they rock in pve, but pve content gets consumed very quickly. and lack of end game, and pvp is going to be end of poe pvp in looong term i believe.

if you look all cultures, companies, empires all same... after they reach to peak... they lose their enthusiasm and the fall begins. poe is not at the peak yet but its close. and first signals of the fall can be seen for most of us.

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Rupenus wrote:

Spoiler

actually no, in marketing first thing they teach you is that, customer doesnt know what they want. the company establishes the needs of the customer. they produce the needs for the customer. there are no rewards for pvp, but there are rewards for racing.

while racing, some try hards become lvl 80 when you(approx speaking, the average people) are still struggling around lvl 50. do you blame game, or balance or luck? no, you blame yourself because there is a reward in the end and you want it. you wanna get better, you have to get better for the reward. same for pvp, when somebody comes to pvp sarn arena, he wants to be the king, the ruler, the boss of the arena. when he gets one shotted he blames pvp and pvp mechanics. why? cause he has no reason to play pvp at all. there are no rewards. people come just for ego masturbation which leads to nowhere and when they get beaten, they have no reason to get better and blaming GGG and poe pvp is always the best thing to do. most relieving way to deal with getting rekt.

poe pvp has been always a enjoyment for the rich, for the standart league players who can reach mirrored items and best items in slot. there are (used to) really exciting pvp matches going on in temp leagues also, but now the damages in game are so buffed that pvp is unplayable. GGG has never given a fuck about us. we tried to make poe pvp better for all of us. cause poe pvp is the most fun ive ever had from a game because how deep the characgter building and ho rich the possibilities are that you can build.

let me emphasize this part:
we tried to list the problems in pvp discussion forum in a very clear way, we mailed GGG. they were very thankful for the efforts we put to make pvp better and they promised us to look them after around the end of the year. we were waiting for that moment. with. big. hopes. and now... rhis.

and talking about profit based companies. let me give you a very known example to explain myself. do you know metallica? i was listening when i was 10-11 years old and it was amazing. you know their first 3-4 albums, they have done these albums with big enthusiasm and they put all their heart and mind to do these albums. but then? after 1992 they started getting profit based... they were more famous... more known... they were more fans of metallica everywhere. they had contracts with big companies. but after they become profit based and acting like company... after they lost their enthusiasm... now we all can agree that the music they do in close while is nowhere close to their first albums.

this is what happens with GGG. they are more known... more famous... getting more profit... more better... more more.... but the enthusiasm is gone. i REALLY liked the changes they did in pve and i still think they rock in pve, but pve content gets consumed very quickly. and lack of end game, and pvp is going to be end of poe pvp in looong term i believe.

if you look all cultures, companies, empires all same... after they reach to peak... they lose their enthusiasm and the fall begins. poe is not at the peak yet but its close. and first signals of the fall can be seen for most of us.