Tone down merciless Argus

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ACGIFT wrote:

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I_NO wrote:

You can over level it why don't you come back?

lol

That didn't make Izaro okay for you, as I recall. ;)

Plus, there's the whole point of... Sure, you CAN come back at level 90, with a couple exalts sunk into every gear slot, and then he's inconsequential.

Congrats, though; at that level any of the treasury chests don't give you shit worth the time wasted to pick them up. Like, "woohoo, a chest of tier 1 maps, this is EXACTLY what I wanted!" (Granted, GGG may be thinking that's the case, given how drops are in T15s...)

It's a whole "risk vs. reward" thing. If you're actually close to the designated level, Argus is way out of whack. If you instead come at the level he's relatively easy to deal with, the reward is zilch.

It's the same reason people hate maps like Desert, Dungeon, Jungle Valley, Terrace, Orchard, and Malformation. For >90% of builds, you're either too underpowered to reasonably tackle them, or you're past the point where the reward means anything.

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I_NO wrote:

No my friend who did the twin daresso thing was 1 shot not myself. I destroyed him very easily mind you in terms of merciless and cruel.

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I_NO wrote:

I think he is personally, A player shouldn't have to be overlvled most of the time to kill the guy and it's bad enough the lab takes like a billion years to traverse.

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ACGIFT wrote:

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sidtherat wrote:

i did him at lvl 64. what is the big deal about him? 2h melee build (sunder), 3.8k hp and proper defences were enough

You were also so blatantly NOT self-found. Try NOT dinking around on Standard where you have tons of exalts' worth of gear, to see what the labyrinth is like when you AREN'T loaded.

The trouble I had was going in at low-70s, having only 4k life, 11k armour, around 500/sec regen, with about 6->15k DPS with leech.

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He STILL cleaves through about 2-3k life per hit through that armour + endurance charges + soul of steel, and basically that becomes a "run away after each hit, wait to regen for get in a little bit more damage each time."

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I_NO wrote:

errr you can over lvl argus I'm really not honestly sure why you think he can't be.

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sidtherat wrote:

Leveling so quickly that i had some trash items from normal, goldrim and pair of movement speed boots that helped me cap resists (barely)
and please - Parendus league is a Charity League so most probably your 'normal' Perandus char had easier access to uniques than me.

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sidtherat wrote:

thats why ive said 'proper defences'. armour alone does nothing vs him. armour vs big hits is pretty useless with these values (11k? granite is 6k alone). i had mix of ev, ar and block + proper flasks and it was a breeze

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sidtherat wrote:

i know youll chalk it on '10ex twink gear' but still - proper build has little trouble vs him. one dimensional ones - might struggle. you had unwavering stance?

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ACGIFT wrote:

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I_NO wrote:

errr you can over lvl argus I'm really not honestly sure why you think he can't be.

You didn't even read what I said.

Of COURSE you can over-level him; my existing characters had zero issues whatsoever, and I just held down RMB until he was dead for all of them.

However, the problem is that at that level? None of the loot in the labyrinth is worth picking up. The ONLY endgame thing worth it AT ALL from Merciless lab... Is that enchanting altar. And fighting Argus invariably makes your turnaround for enchants SLOWER (since, y'know, you're spending a few extra seconds to detour to his room) so there's zero point.

How hard is that to comprehend? It'd be like if Uber Atziri didn't drop special uniques; no one would bother fighting her, when T13-15 maps are easier to get ahold of than Hopes, and a much lower risk.

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sidtherat wrote:

Leveling so quickly that i had some trash items from normal, goldrim and pair of movement speed boots that helped me cap resists (barely)
and please - Parendus league is a Charity League so most probably your 'normal' Perandus char had easier access to uniques than me.

You've not even touched Perandus, so what would you know? All you hear is the typical bitching from others that ALWAYS comes up. Just like "Waaah, Tempest is infinite 6Ls all day!" "Waaah, flashback league rains uniques and rares!" etc., etc.

Truth is, the supply of stuff on Perandus isn't actually that much greater. Only notable difference is that Maligaro's are easy to come by, but I think part of that is ALSO a lot of salt over their nerf.

The build I've been using isn't unique-based; the only unique they make use of is a Searing Touch. (they also have a Wyrmsign, simply because I've not found ANY rare gloves that best it, and that's pretty sad)

I had to pay a lot to get a chest that got me >2k armour.

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sidtherat wrote:

thats why ive said 'proper defences'. armour alone does nothing vs him. armour vs big hits is pretty useless with these values (11k? granite is 6k alone). i had mix of ev, ar and block + proper flasks and it was a breeze

Translation: "It's only doable to specific builds, and others can go get fucked."

Also, that was the PERMANENT armour rating, not the flasked one. Since the fight goes on way too long, I can't just have granite+basalt up for the whole thing. (And since Incinerate doesn't crit, Surgeon's flasks are out of the question)

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sidtherat wrote:

i know youll chalk it on '10ex twink gear' but still - proper build has little trouble vs him. one dimensional ones - might struggle. you had unwavering stance?

Of course you go US with a full-armour build. Without it, those hits would've been guaranteed stun, allowing him to connect a second hit and effectively one-shot you.

And if you're gonna say "well, you should take evasion instead," you're admitting that a core part of the game's content is explicitly undoable for a large portion of the builds.

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I_NO wrote:

The reward is just another key there's nothing wrong with it.

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And if you're gonna say "well, you should take evasion instead," you're admitting that a core part of the game's content is explicitly undoable for a large portion of the builds.