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phillyphil123 wrote:
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paimonas wrote:
A very interesting build, but i dont understand why do double conversion for your damage? Im not very good at math, but it seems you first lose 25% dmg while converting to fire, later you gain it back by using cold to fire, but since since Elementalist can ignite/shock with any damage type, why not just use lightning damage and other gem instead of cold to fire? I see you only took few fire damage nodes from the tree, so i guess instead you could take elemental damage nodes, which would scale both initial hit and the burn damage.
And also do you really need that much cast speed from the tree? What am i missing here?
50 lightning to cold (Brotherhood Ring)
50 lightning to fire (Avatar of Fire)
= 0% lightning / 50% cold / 50% fire
then 100% of the remaining cold damage is converted to fire
50 cold to fire (gem)
50 cold to fire (Avatar of Fire)
= 0% lightning / 0% cold / 100% fire
Conversion is still confusing. The way i understand, if you have Brotherhood and AoF, then Brotherhood converts 50% lightning to cold, and THEN AoF converts 50% of those 50% cold and 50% lightning damage to fire, so you lose damage on this conversion. Wait, im confused again.... Easier for me to understand if i do example.
1000 L.dmg, put ring on, get 500 L.dmg, 500 cold dmg. Use AoF, end up having 250 fire (from L.dmg) + 250 fire dmg (from cold, without cold to fire gem). So you lost 500 dmg in conversion but i guess if you use cold to fire gem, then you convert all cold to fire, but that L.dmg conversion still lost dmg, and you end up with 750 fire damage. Where did i go wrong with this understanding?
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Posted byWoolfio0#6438on Mar 22, 2016, 5:33:12 AM
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paimonas wrote:
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phillyphil123 wrote:
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paimonas wrote:
A very interesting build, but i dont understand why do double conversion for your damage? Im not very good at math, but it seems you first lose 25% dmg while converting to fire, later you gain it back by using cold to fire, but since since Elementalist can ignite/shock with any damage type, why not just use lightning damage and other gem instead of cold to fire? I see you only took few fire damage nodes from the tree, so i guess instead you could take elemental damage nodes, which would scale both initial hit and the burn damage.
And also do you really need that much cast speed from the tree? What am i missing here?
50 lightning to cold (Brotherhood Ring)
50 lightning to fire (Avatar of Fire)
= 0% lightning / 50% cold / 50% fire
then 100% of the remaining cold damage is converted to fire
50 cold to fire (gem)
50 cold to fire (Avatar of Fire)
= 0% lightning / 0% cold / 100% fire
Conversion is still confusing. The way i understand, if you have Brotherhood and AoF, then Brotherhood converts 50% lightning to cold, and THEN AoF converts 50% of those 50% cold and 50% lightning damage to fire, so you lose damage on this conversion. Wait, im confused again.... Easier for me to understand if i do example.
1000 L.dmg, put ring on, get 500 L.dmg, 500 cold dmg. Use AoF, end up having 250 fire (from L.dmg) + 250 fire dmg (from cold, without cold to fire gem). So you lost 500 dmg in conversion but i guess if you use cold to fire gem, then you convert all cold to fire, but that L.dmg conversion still lost dmg, and you end up with 750 fire damage. Where did i go wrong with this understanding?
You went wrong here:
1) 1000 Lightning Damage Base
2) Call of the Brotherhood converts this to 500 cold, 500 lightning
3) Cold to Fire support gem converts the 500 cold to 250 fire and 250 cold
4) Avatar of Fire converts the remaining 250 cold to 250 fire, as well as the remaining 500 lightning to fire, resulting in 1000 Fire damage total after all conversions are complete
The trick here is conversions work on a flat % basis, meaning once you convert 50% of lightning into something else, there's only 50% of lightning remaining. You don't lose any damage, because Avatar of Fire takes care of the rest.
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Posted byKaosuseki#1912on Mar 22, 2016, 12:45:32 PM
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3) Cold to Fire support gem converts the 500 cold to 250 fire and 250 cold
You also gain a % of the Cold damage as Fire in addition to converting 50% of Cold damage to Fire Damage.
GMT -7:00 PST Last edited by nosl1w#1758 on Mar 22, 2016, 8:07:33 PM
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Posted bynosl1w#1758on Mar 22, 2016, 8:07:21 PM
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Why Paragon of Calamity over Liege of the Primordial? It would give you 40+20*2% fire damage over 40%, unless you really need that extra %mitigation from cloak's conversion.
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Posted bySchaller#4655on Mar 22, 2016, 10:43:50 PM
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Looks awesome.
At what point did you start using LW as a main skill?
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Posted byhelgi#0119on Mar 23, 2016, 3:16:59 AM
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