SET FREE THE ASCENDANCY POINTS (or rework the lab) [New ascension methods/lab rework ideas]

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Shovelcut wrote:

If you say so. Though I'm not quite sure I can trust the judgement of someone who thinks that buying something from a shop is a form of donation. :)

Everything is a donation, this is a donation that is a donation, GGG is a donation, donation donation donation.

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goetzjam wrote:

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He had to write that because the initial title and premise of this thread was a shitpost, then it seem to have some good ideas, but instead of narrowing down the view of ideas he literally will add anything that isn't the status quo, which is not helpful in my mind, because you want to narrow something down and have a better idea to purpose to GGG, not a massive list that has no actual bearing.


IIRC one of the early podcast regarding the topic, Chris referred to ideas in this very thread, I tried to get people to focus on that sort of thing and get OP to get people to target something that we think would be ok (as in both sides), instead its just a rant list.


IIRC the original post had the alternative way to get points being killing malachai, something you have to do 2\3 times already now. Something that doesn't require you to do anything different then what you are expected to do, given the power increase this gives you, its unacceptable to give you such a massive power boost, without massive rebalance of the game for free, especially so early.


So don't expect anything good on the first few pages, because until later he didnt change the title or a significant amount of the body.


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He is one of those people where the only option in his mind for GGG to do to make him satisfied would be to make it so he never has to do the lab again. I don't think that is good for the game and I don't think its good for GGG.


I think another point worth waiting for some more information is how the lab plays on the xbox 1, I was hoping the beta would start for that really soon, so I could try it out on my brothers system, but it seems like it won't be out by the 3rd, so the soonest I would visit him again would be the first week of august. I'm really interested to see how the game feels with the controller, including the lab.

I didn't know that. Now I do.

But it seems like we are at a state in this thread, where all alternatives and good ideas are being met with "The lab is here to stay, pleb, and that is what's best for everyone".

I fear, that if 3.0 balances around taking the points as you go, I'm more or less done by making new characters. I really, REALLY hate the gameplay in there. I feel like it has nothing to do in an ARPG. The main reason why, is because RPG's are all about choices and specializing you character into certain offensive and defensive abilities. When a game, that is built around letting you do this, adds a pretty huge, themed content that ignores "most" of these choices, I feel it's very misplaced. But I've written this several times.

I think it's really sad for this great, beautiful game to be dragged down by the lab (in many's eyes). Because that is the fact for many of us. Some may call it "not respecting the developers", I call it "love for the game" or "engagement". Because PoE is maybe my favorite game of all time.

YOU and everyone can call it "a small part of the game", but when someone finds it SO distasteful, misplaced and not fun, it becomes this agony, affecting the whole game. I've tolerated it this far, because it has been a "pretty small part", and as you can cheese/ignore every gameplay element in the lab by overleveling, it didn't really matter THAT much, even tho I'm here.

But if they make it more needed as we go, they make it a BIGGER part of the game, indirectly, even tho they make the labs shorter.

But hey, this is what I FEAR.

I'm also interested in testing it out on my Xbox. And I am interested in testing it out in 30, despite my fears.

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The_Reporter wrote:

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Pyrokar wrote:

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The_Reporter wrote:

Of course I'm in. I'm a VIP.

You are a better man than me. I got a beta key and instantly gave it away. There was a time i would do anything for GGG, even playtest broken beta content for them. Since the implementation of the lab though... well, let's just say i don't feel inclined to do anything for them anymore.

I feel the same.

I explicitly used my key to see if the trials/lab shenanigans were going to remain the same nauseating thing they are currently.

More of the same mess.

You'll see when 3.0 is launched.

On the positive side, it seems to indicate that GGG recognizes that there is an issue that needs to be addressed regarding the labyrinth. It is much easier to make smaller improvements, which they have been doing with each release. As long as they continue making small improvements, it indicates that it is still on their radar as something to address.

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goetzjam wrote:

I think people in this thread need to be informed of the changes and implications of the 3.0 changes, not only to the lab, but the rest of the game, only then will the post be relevant.

As ideal as that would be, since it's only in beta and most people don't have access to it ( why would people not playing and not paying have access to it anyway ? [not including all here of course] ) ... we're going to need to wait for 3.0.0 I'm afraid.

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Phrazz wrote:

And while HARD and STRUGGLES may be fun, the lab doesn't fit into any of those categories.

Might be true in your case.
But it definitely isn't for all lab haters here.

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Phrazz wrote:

That may be, but I haven't called anyone a liar, and tend you react when someone sinks that low, just because they cannot explain something or come up with a counter argument.

He didn't say that you were a liar.
However, he implied that somebody else was being one, probably because that poster's behaviour in the past made it so that people ( at least some ) don't put any trust in that individual.

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Phrazz wrote:

When a game, that is built around letting you do this, adds a pretty huge, themed content that ignores "most" of these choices,

Come on, you know that it does not ignore "most" of it overall.
Otherwise, people ( not all, again ) would not be bitching about "I have to take a specific build to run the lab !".
Sure, traps cannot be straigth outgeared like the rest of the leveling experience, and sure, traps ignore more of your defenses than the rest of the game ( especially degens ), but don't you agree that some builds/archetypes have it easier in certain gaunglets than others ( not speaking about specific lab running builds here ) ?

I mean, you could also say that the malachai fight also ignore most of your defenses too since evasion is of little use, physical degen might be just ignoring your armour too, the slams can't be evaded afaik ( not sure ), and the balls are probably just bleeding or phys degen too.
Now you can get higher buffer to protect yourself since they do not deal %of your life.
There are fire traps apparently, so those ones you can mitigate, the cone ... it inflicts status ailment, but not sure if the dmg is actually elemental or physical.

Is it the %damage that you "hate" that much and makes you say that it ignores "most" of these choices ?

What about considering that movement speed is a defense that becomes more significant in the lab ?
I mean, it is a form of defense, during the whole game, an important one, and it's one of the things that matters the most in the lab.
Character choices (defenses here) do matter in the lab, but not exactly in the same way than the rest of the game.


Btw, have you not come to hate the lab even morce since you joined this thread ?
Just asking, out of curiosity, it kind of looks like it.

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harassment
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noun
noun: harassment; plural noun: harassments

aggressive pressure or intimidation.

It is funny, that you were "attacking" me on my English, couple of pages ago.


I was merely providing an explanation of why he could call you that.
Besides there was no affirmation beside the fact that he was not calling"Phrazz" a liar.


Or are you implying that the moderation came, remove the posts after this one ( = reading the page, essentially ), and since they decided to let this this one, they made a mistake ?
But it is no place to discuss such things anyway, feel free to report the post if you are unhappy.

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The_Reporter wrote:

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Fruz wrote:

He didn't say that you were a liar.
However, he implied that somebody else was being one, probably because that poster's behaviour in the past made it so that people ( at least some ) don't put any trust in that individual.

This is harassment.

Please do not:

● Make hateful or needlessly negative comments

● Personally attack or cause harm to the reputation of others

● Antagonise others in an obnoxious manner

● Disrupt forum or chat use for others

Which is basically what you've been doing for the last 400 pages, mate. Even aimed at GGG themselves at times.

Just saying. No need to call me a liar now, because I will provide quotes if need be. Granted, most of them have already been "[Removed by Support]". :)

There is a vast difference from the people saying I do not like the lab because of "X" and some troller saying learn to play,or LAB is a way to stop bad people (who do not pay) from progressing and forcing them to quit the game.