SET FREE THE ASCENDANCY POINTS (or rework the lab) [New ascension methods/lab rework ideas]

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goetzjam wrote:

Don't mistake your personal opinion for reality.

This is the problem with the entire "anti-lab" side of this thread. Actual facts are ignored while opinions are repeatedly (as well as loudly and rudely) touted as being fact.

You (and you all know who you are) do not like the lab. Everyone gets it. Now get over it and let's fight about something else; obviously on this particular merry-go-round issue GGG sided with those of us that think the lab is an interesting and essential part of the POE experience. Better luck next time.

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Dos_Fafner wrote:

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goetzjam wrote:

Don't mistake your personal opinion for reality.

This is the problem with the entire "anti-lab" side of this thread. Actual facts are ignored while opinions are repeatedly (as well as loudly and rudely) touted as being fact.

You (and you all know who you are) do not like the lab. Everyone gets it. Now get over it and let's fight about something else; obviously on this particular merry-go-round issue GGG sided with those of us that think the lab is an interesting and essential part of the POE experience. Better luck next time.

So how do you "prove" a game sucks or is great. According to you unless I can "prove" the lab sucks I should not voice what content I like or dislike. Unless I get stats by doing a nationwide poll, I can't voice my opinion my guild and people I talk to in twitch for the most part hate it also?

your basically just tell people to shut up in a feedback forum. Why is there a feedback forum? If it a stats only forum it shouldn't be named something that asks for opinion.

Because its a place people put there feedback.

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Dos_Fafner wrote:

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goetzjam wrote:

Don't mistake your personal opinion for reality.

This is the problem with the entire "anti-lab" side of this thread. Actual facts are ignored while opinions are repeatedly (as well as loudly and rudely) touted as being fact.

You (and you all know who you are) do not like the lab. Everyone gets it. Now get over it and let's fight about something else; obviously on this particular merry-go-round issue GGG sided with those of us that think the lab is an interesting and essential part of the POE experience. Better luck next time.

Not sure what you are looking for in a feedback forum if not opinions. Feedback is always an opinion. Some of those opinions can be backed up by facts, some can't.

I think the Labyrinth would be awesome if they added Justin Bieber music to it. Oh, you disagree? OK, disagree, but make sure you back it up with facts.

Protip: "Justin Bieber sucks" is not a fact.*

And for the record, Chris and the dev team are considering removing the Ascendancy points from the lab. You think they would be doing so if all this negative feedback never happened?

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goetzjam wrote:

I told you long ago they won't likely consider any system that moves AC from the lab, yet you seem to think just because you have a massive list of ideas that they all are equally as good, that simply isn't the case.

And I told you three hours before you posted this that your prediction turned out to be wrong. I guess you didn't notice. ;)




*OK, maybe it is.

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Dos_Fafner wrote:

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goetzjam wrote:

Don't mistake your personal opinion for reality.

This is the problem with the entire "anti-lab" side of this thread. Actual facts are ignored while opinions are repeatedly (as well as loudly and rudely) touted as being fact.

You (and you all know who you are) do not like the lab. Everyone gets it. Now get over it and let's fight about something else; obviously on this particular merry-go-round issue GGG sided with those of us that think the lab is an interesting and essential part of the POE experience. Better luck next time.

As long as they continue to make changes to the labyrinth (they just announced a new one yesterday) it seems perfectly reasonable to continue discussing what we do and don't like. Discussion like this does go in circles at times, because of people who jump in later in the thread, or people who weren't active on the forums back when a lot of this stuff was said back on March 3-7 (ascendancy release).

ran labyrinth on an es build. died twice to desync traps.

i felt stupid.

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Dos_Fafner wrote:

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goetzjam wrote:

Don't mistake your personal opinion for reality.

This is the problem with the entire "anti-lab" side of this thread. Actual facts are ignored while opinions are repeatedly (as well as loudly and rudely) touted as being fact.

You (and you all know who you are) do not like the lab. Everyone gets it. Now get over it and let's fight about something else; obviously on this particular merry-go-round issue GGG sided with those of us that think the lab is an interesting and essential part of the POE experience. Better luck next time.

it doesn't matter what you or ggg think though? it's obvious that you're the ones in wrong :/ admit it already and start campaigning with us so that ggg changes labyrinth instead of taking a stand of see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil.

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gibbousmoon wrote:

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goetzjam wrote:

I told you long ago they won't likely consider any system that moves AC from the lab, yet you seem to think just because you have a massive list of ideas that they all are equally as good, that simply isn't the case.

And I told you three hours before you posted this that your prediction turned out to be wrong. I guess you didn't notice. ;)




*OK, maybe it is.

What prediction?

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goetzjam wrote:

What prediction?

You trolling? The one right there, inside the post that I quoted and that you requoted.

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gibbousmoon wrote:

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goetzjam wrote:

What prediction?

You trolling? The one right there, inside the post that I quoted and that you requoted.

hint: especially in an opinion forum where people are giving their opinions, everyone's opinion honestly stated is part of reality. Of course a dishonestly stated opinion is also part of reality but that is more confusing and now I'm sorry I mentioned it. :-) BTW who thinks they are all equally good? Why would that even be relevant to reality? They're all good in that they are ideas that might help GGG come up with the best idea. They're all good in that it gives us something to work on. That doesn't mean they're all equally good, does it? Isn't good different from all equally good? Although you can have the opinion they're all bad. That would just be a different but part of the same reality.

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gibbousmoon wrote:

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goetzjam wrote:

What prediction?

You trolling? The one right there, inside the post that I quoted and that you requoted.

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And for the record, Chris and the dev team are considering removing the Ascendancy points from the lab. You think they would be doing so if all this negative feedback never happened?

There isn't any indication that there is serious consideration on this part. You are either making shit up or you have knowledge from an email or other form of communication that would indicate something different then what GGG said in the podcast.


If you watched the podcast he doesn't throw the idea out completely about AC points, but he does back up and state he doesn't want to just change the content to be "ok" for everyone. Which if you've followed this thread or any discussion at all really you would understand that AC points are the only things that can't be purchased or acquired through other means.

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