Quitting PoE after years due to Labyrinth System

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Perq wrote:

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dinobin wrote:

I don't care what the white knights will be saying, I'm totally on OP's side.

First, I also don't see how the lab fits to the style of the game, but it's a matter of one's own preferences, I don't care.
The problem is, that the biggest part of the expansion (or to say better, the most anticipated) is locked behind it.

Why is that a problem? Because it doesn't have any checkpoint. And it's too long (and for me, also boring)

To be honest, I HATE all the people who say "if you don't work hard for the points, you shouldn't get them", or "everyone is QQing". No. Not everyone is a nolife geek, some casual players just want to have fun. Some people play the game after a long busy day, the last they want is to work their ass off before the screen (I mean now that it is time-consuming, and that there is no checkpoint is the worst). Also, there are a lot of players, who get DC-s ALL THE TIME. With normal SC content this is not a big problem (although sad), and these people don't give a fuck about HC. But forcing a semi-hardcore mechanic to these people is just a fucked up decision.

Futhermore, don't say it is not optional. Yes, of course, it is optional in the way that you can progress with the storyline without it. Maybe also do some maps. But if you wanna be competitive / do content later, you have to get the ascendency points. And by "do content later", I mean the next patches, which are very likely going to be a lot harder, because the "new standard" will be those with asc.points. So the new points are, or will be calculated into the game difficulty.

I think I'll also stop playing for a while

(PS.: I like the idea a lot from a previous poster, to have Izaro as a hard, no-party boss with asc.point as reward, but without the Lab. The should be then only a good farm/leveling zone.)

Mind explaining to me, why would I read your post? If you do not care what the other side says, do you really expect them to care about stuff you say? If you do not, are you writing just to circle-jerk with other people, who agree with you? Are you trying to create some kind of echo chamber here?

You're not achieving anything here, nor discussing anything, but simply trying to reinforce a feeling, that you are doing everything right, and the game is broken, and when people tell why in might not be the case, you disregard all of it, because it might prove that you were wrong. And nobody likes to be wrong, amarite?

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symban wrote:

I honestly can not comprehend the mindset of players who quit over labyrinth when they did not quit over desynch until it was fixed. Labyrinth a nice change of pace and you need to run it 3 times per char. What is the big deal?

Also NOX had similar trap labyrinths and it was ARPG too, and I think it was a very good part of that game. For PoE, with the speed mobs move around traps are less meaningful, especially with all the mobility skills at our disposal *cough*lightningwarp*cough* but still a good change with the ascension classes.

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Raudram wrote:

If anything I think GGG was too afraid of making it an integral part of the game and providing meaningful loot so now people feel like they're wasting time since besides one time runs for ascendancy points, there isn't much reason to go there unless you want to try your luck with enchanting RNG.

If the place had appropriate level and doing side stuff was rewarding, people would me more inclined to run it as an alternative to maps. And yeah, traps are mostly meaningless with all the movement skills and potions we have, I just run straight through them.

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goetzjam wrote:

Its current level version is balanced around the fact that people want access to the last 2 ascendancy points before really getting too far into maps.

I believe the "data mined" stuff has revealed the possibility of a higher level lab, but the indication we've seen so far doesn't really show that. It can't really be an alternative to maps given its zone level, personally if you hate it you only have to really run it a few times, but then again most people that hate it do so because they simply don't learn the mechanics and are acting like "children" instead of trying to do something new and interesting, they want to mindlessly grind it like everything else in the game.

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Turtledove wrote:

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goetzjam wrote:

Its current level version is balanced around the fact that people want access to the last 2 ascendancy points before really getting too far into maps.

I believe the "data mined" stuff has revealed the possibility of a higher level lab, but the indication we've seen so far doesn't really show that. It can't really be an alternative to maps given its zone level, personally if you hate it you only have to really run it a few times, but then again most people that hate it do so because they simply don't learn the mechanics and are acting like "children" instead of trying to do something new and interesting, they want to mindlessly grind it like everything else in the game.

My opinion is that most people that do hate the labyrinth is because they do not enjoy trap game play or they enjoy regular PoE game play much more. To my mind that makes more sense than the idea that some kind of mass hysteria has taken over the population. This mass hysteria then makes them act like children and are not capable of learning the mechanics. Of course when trying to vilify a group of people like you seem to be doing, your explanation is more convenient.

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goetzjam wrote:

We all do things in life we dont want, this is a prime example of something GGG created that not everyone wants to do, but its necessary for ascendancy points and people just want the additional power for free, without proving your worth, which is what the whole idea of ascending was all about.

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goetzjam wrote:

We all do things in life we dont want, this is a prime example of something GGG created that not everyone wants to do, but its necessary for ascendancy points and people just want the additional power for free, without proving your worth, which is what the whole idea of ascending was all about.

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Turtledove wrote:

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goetzjam wrote:

We all do things in life we dont want, this is a prime example of something GGG created that not everyone wants to do, but its necessary for ascendancy points and people just want the additional power for free, without proving your worth, which is what the whole idea of ascending was all about.

Of course we all have to do things in life that we don't want to do. However, people don't have to play a game if they don't want to. So, it is reasonable for people to decide to play a game or not based on whatever they want to base it on. If GGG wanted to make ascending based on completing a crossword puzzle then that would be their prerogative. However, in that case it would be reasonable for some in the player base to decide to not play PoE anymore because they don't like doing crossword puzzles.