2.2 Crit Vaal Molten Shell - 1 000 000+ DPS because why not?
" no it still wont work lose aoe radius from losing carcass discharge uses up NO MP WHEN TRIGGERED WITH ANY KIND OF TRIGGER THAT MEANS NO MATTER HOW MANY TIMES YOU DISCHARGE THE DISCHARGE WILL NOT PROC SCOLD"S BRIDAL AND THAT MEANS NO DMG TO SELF THAT MEANS NO VMS PROC THAT MEANS CYCLONE WILL BE MAKING VMS GO OFF AND THAT IS NOT AS FAST AS INCINERATE does that help i hope so oh and the loss of all that crit chance is going to hurt a lot more then you think honestly if you really want to do discharge then just follow one of the Mjolner rainbow nuker builds they do about as much with top gear Last edited by Dextera#5538 on Dec 30, 2015, 12:41:17 AM
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Active trigger skills will, when their condition is met, trigger an automatic melee attack to occur. This attack uses no mana and does not interrupt the players other actions.
(melee is used as an example it counts for spells also) right from the wiki incinerate will beat discharge all day since discharge is being triggered no mana cost no 400% dmg of mana cost no boom boom Last edited by Dextera#5538 on Dec 30, 2015, 12:45:33 AM
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" yeah except discharge has a mana cost of 24 at level 1 thus procing skolds (u would take 120 damage from skolds) thus procing vms thus (if vms crit) giving us another power charge (assuming your wearing voll's protector) thus using that power charge to be cast (and if u have a voll's devotion) u get an endurance charge at the end of the cast which will allow u to cast discharge again rinse repeat its ok dex we all make mistakes ^_^ now on to further clarification to my theory im not changing the skillpoints of the build. . . im not even going to use cyclone (despite u assuming this without me even stating it) all i want to do is: -take out the incinerate gem, replace with discharge gem (lvl 1 of course) -replace the carcass jack with a voll's protector -replace the amulet with voll's devotion thats it! nothing else! we're still using the gear the OP is using (minus the ones ive opted to change) we're still using the same skill tree! now obvious downside: -no aoe from jacky, no area damage from jacky and no life -vms MUST crit, so if u diamond flask on atziri and your not generating charges your screwed cuz its not critting and not generating charges (but dont worry u can use incinerate as a backup) -we'd be hit with -50 reduced maximum mana from protector but i dont think that would be a problem, u can mix/match auras to suit your needs -and 6L voll's protector is like 15exalt (carcass jack is around 15ex as well) or so exalts and volls devotion is like 25-30 exalts so itd be 25-30 more exalts just for a voll's devotion :( so the question is, is all this worth sacrificing for near instantaneous procing of vms that isnt dependent on cast speed? keep in mind though that with the recent development from the OP, spell echo doesnt work so procing vms as much as possible as fast as possible may be worth looking into also discharge is an active spell gem and doesnt have "trigger" in its description unlike what you would find with the "vengeance" and "riposte" which have "trigger" in their description :) Last edited by PleaseMasterMakeMeScream#1582 on Dec 30, 2015, 2:25:28 AM
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" I think you're just refusing to see the flaw in your logic here man. You won't ever self cast discharge as fast as incinerate. Period. And you're sacrificing AoE which makes your VMS have such short range especially compared to your discharge. It's unsynergistic and won't match incinerate at all. And even if you managed to get a tolerable self cast discharge speed (which would still be exponentially worse than incinerate), you'd be dealing massive damage to yourself. Can you imagine dealing 100+ damage to yourself a couple times a second. It would make your immortal call useless because you'd never have any endurance charges since they'd either be consumed by discharge or consumed early by your immortal and end up with a 1 second duration. Discharge as a skill to proc VMS is NOT good. Period. Crit Shockwave Totem 650k +: #1657327 / Crit VMS (1 mil DPS): #1511368 / Crit self-cast spark: #1565708
1.3 crit firestorm: #1280086 / 1.3 crit Ice Nova: #1219809 / Flame Nova (sire of shards incinerate): #1359847 |
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First off, your music is amazing. I could see GGG using these for Act 5 and the tristram piano cover I'm sure just sent half your viewers down memory lane.
I have a scold's shelved away I'd been meaning to use. The build is kind of like a fire version to vaal spark except with far more duration and far less aoe. Much like vaal spark, are there certain map layouts you simply can't do or is the 21 second duration enough to get through the less than dense indoor maps? " Is there a reason to use 3 sacrificial harvests as opposed to 2 + chill of corruption since you are generating a lot of shatters. IGN: Arlianth Check out my LA build: 1782214 Last edited by Nephalim#2731 on Dec 30, 2015, 4:31:45 AM
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" im running 3 sacrificial harvests cuz they have a chance to trigger 100% of the time as opposed to chill only triggering on shattered enemies @Simplesim45 fine you win ;( |
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With 3 perfect sacrificial harvests you will have 90% to gain an additional soul on kill and 100% if you used 4 perfect ones?
Will having 4 perfect harvests and one chill out corruption give you potentially 2 on a shatter kill? IGN: Arlianth Check out my LA build: 1782214 Last edited by Nephalim#2731 on Dec 30, 2015, 4:59:04 AM
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" Thanks! That means a lot. Maps with a lot of dead ends might need you to gather some extra souls with firestorm, but it's really not so bad. Chill of corruption is good once you've got your first VMS up, but you're not really getting shatters much with firestorm for your initial soul build up. You could use one in place of a rare jewel, I just happened to need the extra resistance. This build doesn't have the map clearing ability of vaal spark, but it destroys bosses a million times faster tho :D " I think they stack yes. I personally didn't bother getting all 5 jewels to be soul stacking because I was easily getting my souls back in the duration of VMS. Crit Shockwave Totem 650k +: #1657327 / Crit VMS (1 mil DPS): #1511368 / Crit self-cast spark: #1565708
1.3 crit firestorm: #1280086 / 1.3 crit Ice Nova: #1219809 / Flame Nova (sire of shards incinerate): #1359847 |
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" the only mistake here is GGG aloyign you to post in this forum i do not think you get it at all or are very stupid HE IS USING CAST ON CTRIT TO """"TRIGGER""" DISCHARGE lets me do this barnie style for you YOU STATED CoC that means CoC is casting discharge CoC is a trigger gem NO WHERE did i say discharge is trigger gem AGAIN You crit with cyclone or anything really and it will TRIGGER discharge discharge being triggered uses up no MP discharge has a 1 second recast IF SELF CAST incinerate has NO CAP ON USES PER SECOND are you mentally challenged i know a good psychiatrist i can refer you too (yes i am mad because i hate people who spread misinformation) listen we have posted GGG dev confirmed info from the wiki but you want to argue you can not use discharge more then once a second SELF CAST i just tested it in my HO with lvl 1 discharge and charge flasks the game would not discharge till the gems internet timer reached 1 second i also used a macro with auto hot key to make the game spam commands faster then i could press buttons and the script used discharge 140 times in one second after the first discharge and nothing happened for a full one second based off my parsing timer PMMMS i would like you to please refrain from posting int his thread you are arguing over something that has been proven to not work. and now you are spreading confusing false information to a build guide and that is becoming a disruption to the forum rules. |
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the only way to lower discharges cast time is with charges
"For example, expending 3 Power Charges and 3 Frenzy Charges will cause that cast of Discharge to have +150% increased chance to crit, deal 12% more damage, and the cast time will be decreased by 12%." you still would need 40-45 of each charge to get more then the 15 cast per second my incinerate does PMMMS can you get 45 frenzy charges stored up? NOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! you can never self cast discharge faster then INCINERATE PERIOD!!!!!!!!!! the problem here is we proved through facts and factual numbers that discharge will never work for this build and you just want to be right we want to do more dmg remember before you use the same argument you have been i have tested this (i am a discharge convert to this build ran discharge for 2 years) i know 100% it wont work for this build MOVE ALONG GUYS LETS FIND SOMETHING MORE PRODUCTIVE TO TALK ABOUT Last edited by Dextera#5538 on Dec 30, 2015, 12:52:25 PM
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