[Talisman] MoM/EB/ZO Bladefall/Firestorm Trapper HC ~WIP~

I've always been hesitant about having a trapper but w/changes coming I'm re-evaluating. Looks good!

Hi Yotmato:
This is an interesting thread full of thoughtful analysis. I'm fond of trapper myself and may give this a whirl.

Have you had further thoughts on how you plan to level? What do you thing about using Flame Surge alongside Fire Trap/Searing Bond/Flamestorm?

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yotmato wrote:

At this point I don't see a single benefit from self casting Contagion over trapping it, they have way too much synergy together to be ignored, both in playstyle, support gems and the skill tree.

Insofar as advantages of self-cast benefits over trap: Frenzy Charges come to mind. Five Frenzy Charges will give you 20% more damage; you can easily pick up Frenzy Charges with The Blood Dance Boots for packs and, using a wand, Frenzy-GMP-Additional Accuracy for bosses.

Having played trappers before, I really missed the ability to gain charges without doing something really clunky (such as wand with Frenzy for packs).

Frenzy charges are the most overrated thing from the expansion, you have them up when you dont need them, they are never up when you truly need them (vs bosses)

Frenzy charges are just for tooltip whoring, the only builds that truly benefitted from them until now were Poison Arrow and Explosive Arrow, note what this builds have in common, they use Frenzy gem and have 100% uptime on their Frenzy charges.

For the rest of the builds they are severely underwhelming, and the more players you have in your party, the more underwhelming they are.

They are nice bonus for builds that are able to use Blood Rage, because you will use Blood Rage anyway for the attack speed, thats it.

Do the smart thing and dont build around them unless you can use Frenzy gem without hindering your clear speed.

I made a mistake. Edited my post to not confuse anyone.

TC, for your tree, what would the progression look like? What should you get first 30 points? Next 30? etc?

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There is very little spell damage on the tree so Controlled Destruction won't be very strong until you get good gear. Void Manipulation definitely seems much stronger while leveling and should be used in the 4 link.

What? The way it reads it will not be basing it off of your spell damage..

Assume a character with 50% spell damage and 60% chaos damage and 1000 base damage with level 1 Controlled Destruction:

The way you're saying this is as though the math is as follows:

1000*(1+(0.5*1.25+0.6)) = 2,225 dps

When in reality it is: 1000*(1+(0.5+0.6))*1.25 = 2,625 dps

Because the skill you're using is a spell it does not care if you have 100 or 1000 spell damage as far as "how effective" it is assuming you have some base damage, say in the form of chaos, trap, or damage over time.

Contagion cannot crit, therefore higher multiplier is straight up better on that front. It may depend on what the quality is on the two chaos supports but it's unlikely to be a major deciding factor.

Would like to see a 20pt 40pt and 60pt Progression tree while leveling.

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Darkith1546 wrote:

There is very little spell damage on the tree so Controlled Destruction won't be very strong until you get good gear. Void Manipulation definitely seems much stronger while leveling and should be used in the 4 link.

4-link: Contagion- Trap - Trap and Mine Damage - Void Manipulation
5-link: Contagion- Trap - Trap and Mine Damage - Void Manipulation - Controlled Destruction
6-link: Contagion- Trap - Trap and Mine Damage - Void Manipulation - Controlled Destruction - Rapid Decay/Empower/Inc Aoe

That's... not how it works.

Controlled Destruction is a 25% (at level 1) MORE multiplier to any skill that is affected by spell damage. It's NOT a 25% multiplier on your spell damage mods, which is what you seem to imply.

100% Increased Spell Damage + 100% Chaos Damage + 100% DoT Damage with a 100 Damage hit + Controlled Destruction.
What you seem to imply is 100x(100%+(100%x125%)+100%+100%) = 425 damage.
What you actually get is 100x(100%+100%+100%+100%)x(125%) = 500 damage.

Controlled Destruction is actually the strongest of the new MORE multiplier gems, as it starts at 25%, and DoTs cannot crit anyway.

I've modified it a little bit but I was looking at something like this:

You will obviously have to post them in the new poe offline calc.

20Pt

40Pt

60Pt

86Pt

117Pt


Looking to level up using Fire Trap/Lightning Trap. Considering I don't know what level we get the new skills yet i've just set it up to swap over when I take ZO+EB+MOM

Any feedback appreciated :D

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