(2.6) Demopolos' Ultimate Facebreaker: 6L Shield Charge (500k) or Cyclone (1.4m) w/ 4L Warchief

I have a hard time running ele reflect. I can take Hatred/Herald off and it helps but it's risky. Phys reflect is a no-go.

The only other map mod I have a serious problem with is cannot leech. I bring a Mana flask just in case this mod rolls. I don't think there's anything else I cannot run.

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Somnuse wrote:

I have a hard time running ele reflect. I can take Hatred/Herald off and it helps but it's risky. Phys reflect is a no-go.

The only other map mod I have a serious problem with is cannot leech. I bring a Mana flask just in case this mod rolls. I don't think there's anything else I cannot run.

Replace added fire damage with melee damage on full life and you'll have no elemental reflect damage at all.

Thanks for the suggestion.

I tried it earlier and it worked great.

Sorry about the hiatus guys, was traveling over the holidays.

A quick update:
-All guardians have been downed in 0-1 deaths now. Build definitely can do all content in game, although it's really optimized for fast farms of t15/uber lab (100% flask uptime for all but guardians/shaper due to life pool).
-Confirmed that you can actually use same SC tree for both cyclone and sc versions (but cyclone requires tighter play without the mana support, see guardian videos for example)
-Added map mod section to OP, but it's a WIP (feel free to comment, we can run almost all mods with some simple workarounds)

Also, if anyone is looking to buy truly endgame FB items in standard, feel free to pm me in game. I have some BiS steel/deafening/life/res rings, and other gears.

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eddiec93 wrote:

Damn. Been so long since i checked out poe stuff. Steel ring... thats new to me. So much extra phy dmg from those rings lol. So the old rings gotta go yeah? how much are decent rings steel rings going for now? In standard

Currently using these

Yeah once you get to endgame, you will definitely want to upgrade to steel rings with a high flat physical roll. It is just a massive dps increase.

Depending on your budget, I actually have some super gg ones for sale (deafening phys / t1 life / res / other useful atts). If you want budget one, you can either try to snipe one with only a flat phys roll and whatever life/res/atts you can sneak in... or just craft yourself. Possible to get one sub 1 ex, or hit jackpot on craft.

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StrayFist wrote:

Thank you, I appriciate the feedback. I was also looking into that last night. I made a decent steel ring but it has no life. I can roll life, but it's going to be a crafted roll... Oh well.

I'm just needed to farm up some money to invest in some steel rings to roll.
I actually just bought a cheap second 6L to use for bosses and modded the colors to run a cyclone, and I'll use that for bosses. my DPS buffed/flasked with inc AOE is 133k conc is about 160k.

Thanks for the ideas. Good luck out there!

That one is solid man! Don't forget that the dex helps a lot (BR/vaal haste = a lot of dex req), and it already has a good res roll and room for life craft. When you save up, definitely try to craft with a higher flat phys roll as it has a big impact on dps.

Having a 6L swap for cyclone is a good call. If you are good about positioning you don't even need to change anything in tree (see my guardian videos... no changes at all besides 6L swap).

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bombtrap wrote:

An advice to keep trying to craft a good steel ring roll is use Wailing Essence of Contempt stead of Deafening because it's cheap (1chaos each try) and the phys roll is pretty near to Deafening roll.Take in consideration that you'll roll TWO rings (A LOT) to find the best roll to fit your build.

I hate this ring so bad bcause it just rolls oposed stats (int, mana, ES).

I actually disagree. Wailing IS NOT AT ALL near a deafening roll. The difference between 8-12 and 11-17 is very large, and affects your dps. At least give yourself regular t1 phys with shrieking.

If you are severely budgeted/early in league this might be a good way to roll, but I would not recommend it if you are trying to get your "final" endgame rings. If you are getting a ilvl 81+ base steel, it's already expensive so you may as well roll it well.

For me, I have usually had the best luck buying them already rolled (I haven't had the greatest RNG...). Sometimes you can find a really good deal on a deafening steel ring.

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synchonelove wrote:

What do you think about Bronn's Lithe? Unfortunately it doesnt have any resistances and life, but 50% bonus damage seems pretty nice and attack and movement speed is also good.

It's a cool chest, but for me it being evasion pushes it out of consideration. If we want an offensive chest, carcass is the better option imo (the 20 % AOE + damage + life + res is a better overall package).

In general I believe more defensive chests like belly/light coil/good astral are the best given that we use abyssus and already have good offensive capabilities.

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Trancid wrote:

hi i love this uild but i have a hard time sustaining mana

This question has been asked like 50 times. This is annoying, because it is directly addressed in multiple places in the OP. READ THE OP BEFORE ASKING QUESTIONS, GUYS! :X

Mana needs are met by a single mana leech roll. You can get it on a jewel (very efficient), or on a ring/ammy (also very efficient, as long as they also have life/t1 phys at prefix... but hard to get all 3).

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Somnuse wrote:

Hey guys.

This is my progress on the build so far. I am level 93. I have about 6.9 K HP with Belly, 6.4 K HP with a 6 Link tri res rare. I have spent a lot of time acquiring currency and buying gear, I'm quite proud of my rings.

I'm looking for any suggestions for improvement. Last night, I tried Cyclone for the first time. I can get to 120K DPS in town, no buffs. My Chief totem can get to almost 700k fully buffed. Please check out my gear and tell me what you think. I farm T15 maps like they're Merc dried lake now, but I want to start doing end game bosses. I'm wondering if this build can do Shaper. Anyway, any advice or direction is appreciated. I can murder Atziri and Uber lab, but I want to work on the super end-game stuff now.

Thanks for looking.

Your stuff is great! You should def be proud of your rings, they are amazing.

In terms of upgrades, I would go for roughly this order:
-blessed your ammy to 24 dex/int (may ease reqs somewhere)
-reroll res on rune nail to 13 cold/light (helps for overcap res)
-reroll armour on boots to 67-68% (every little bit counts, this is almost free)
-get lab enchant on boots (16% speed is huge)
-get lab enchant on helm (40 % dmg/15 % speed is huge, spam uber lab or buy new one with enchant)
-buy similar shield buy with higher armour and/or a block roll (you can probly get a solid upgrade here for not TOO much)
-get 30 % "more" on taste of hate (divine or buy new, whatever is cheaper)
-get all of your jewels with 4x gg mods (if not already, can't see)
-start to finish out all of your 21/20 or 20/23 gems (whichever is better, see my gems in OP for reference)
-Save up for 795% + FB
-(optional) get a swap 6L so you can easily switch between cyclone/sc without recoloring

And that is just about it! your dude will be done. :D

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m4rilyn wrote:

Hi love the build so far. Just a quick question though, what type of map mods can this build not run? Mods such as reduce armor and block chance reflect maps and 60% less recovery seem pretty tough :/

I just added this to OP, and will try to more fully flesh out with time. I am probly leaving something out here but...

Avoid:
-Can't run no leech (only complete no-no)
- -max res combined with +100% of 1-2 ele dmg can be risky
-ele reflect AND phys reflect combined is risky
-ele reflect AND - max res combined is risky

Work around:
-For no mana regen, use mana flask
-For 60% reduced recovery just be careful with mana use or use mana flask
-For blood magic, turn off auras (dps still good enough for t15, just a bit slower)
-For ele weakness, either be overcapped already, or have jewel / gear swap to overcap (personally I have 2 jewels that I swap on to overcap)
-for physical reflect... swap melee phys dmg in 6L to leech (not needed if tuned build, but makes it easy)
-for ele reflect... swap added fire dmg in 6L to leech (not needed if tuned build, but makes it easy)

I think these are the core things to note... will try to write up in more detail later. While the armour / block reduction isn't great, it is definitely doable. On their own they present no big problem (maybe watch out if vulnerability/phys reflect too).

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SupaMF wrote:

Replace added fire damage with melee damage on full life and you'll have no elemental reflect damage at all.

For reflect maps I like swapping in life leech gem for melee phys / added fire (for phys/ele reflect, respectively). It's just very safe and makes it effortless. Melee phys at full life isn't up 100 % (when we get hit, or when overleech isn't active since BR can keep us a hair below full life). This can work too tho!

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demopolos wrote:

Your stuff is great! You should def be proud of your rings, they are amazing.

In terms of upgrades, I would go for roughly this order:
-blessed your ammy to 24 dex/int (may ease reqs somewhere)
-reroll res on rune nail to 13 cold/light (helps for overcap res)
-reroll armour on boots to 67-68% (every little bit counts, this is almost free)
-get lab enchant on boots (16% speed is huge)
-get lab enchant on helm (40 % dmg/15 % speed is huge, spam uber lab or buy new one with enchant)
-buy similar shield buy with higher armour and/or a block roll (you can probly get a solid upgrade here for not TOO much)
-get 30 % "more" on taste of hate (divine or buy new, whatever is cheaper)
-get all of your jewels with 4x gg mods (if not already, can't see)
-start to finish out all of your 21/20 or 20/23 gems (whichever is better, see my gems in OP for reference)
-Save up for 795% + FB
-(optional) get a swap 6L so you can easily switch between cyclone/sc without recoloring

And that is just about it! your dude will be done. :D

Awesome. Thanks a lot man. My amulet is so close to being godly. If only that Life Leech was HP, but the Leech doesn't hurt. With 80 STR on that amulet it's still giving me a good chunk of HP and damage. I thought about going for a res/attributes/life/t1 phys/leech neck but it might be costly.

Will definitely look into buying a bigger tougher shield, that one was only a Chaos and I haven't given it much attention. I definitely need to do labs and get some decent enchants on my gear.

Thanks again for the suggestions man. I have been trying really hard to gear up this league and can crush most things, I just don't know how this build and my ability will handle Chayula and the Guardians but I am hoping for the best. I would like to attempt Shaper at some point.

Anyway, thanks again for your feedback boss. I value any information and responses you've given.

Sorry, invested heavily in this build and now tried Tul...and had NO chance whatsoever...so utterly disappointed in this build... Had loads of fun until now. Still I have to conclude: The Shield Charge version might be nice for leveling by killing millions of packs, but even with Conc Effect, capped resis and endgame gear, seems useless as it deals to low damage against breach lords and higher tier bosses.

It takes about ages to just scratch Tul and thus pretty sure, the same applies for all other breach lords, guardians etc. Not positive anything will significantly change at Lv 98, given I manage to level up this high...already saw the limits with a T12 boss before. Didn't manage to kill him as well, just the same as with Tul...Maybe will have to switch to Cyclone after all or scrap the build, which would really hurt given the fun i had with packs and lower tier bosses so far...

The Ancestral Warchief totem btw. is dead all the time in a second. Not really sure if and how it helps with higher lv bosses as it baerly can take any hits. Didn't help me wiht Tul etc. at all.

Izaro: One shot and i was dead on Merciless on the third round. Hardly can imagine facing him in Uber Labyrinth ;-) No face tanking possible whatsoever...if I cannot take him, how can I facetank and kill the Guardians, Shaper, Uber Atziri etc.

Again: SC version seems to be very limited. So far not seeing the value for killing endgame bosses of hiher levels.

oi. you must be kidding man.
this build recks bosses. are you serious? but you cant just sit there facetanking damage, you gotta go in and out. I regularly farm breachlords, and have mediocre gear, and this is my first league playing path of exile. :/

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Somnuse wrote:

Awesome. Thanks a lot man. My amulet is so close to being godly. If only that Life Leech was HP, but the Leech doesn't hurt. With 80 STR on that amulet it's still giving me a good chunk of HP and damage. I thought about going for a res/attributes/life/t1 phys/leech neck but it might be costly.

Will definitely look into buying a bigger tougher shield, that one was only a Chaos and I haven't given it much attention. I definitely need to do labs and get some decent enchants on my gear.

Thanks again for the suggestions man. I have been trying really hard to gear up this league and can crush most things, I just don't know how this build and my ability will handle Chayula and the Guardians but I am hoping for the best. I would like to attempt Shaper at some point.

Anyway, thanks again for your feedback boss. I value any information and responses you've given.

You're welcome man! Yeah your ammy is really solid. 80 str = 40 flat life and 20 % melee dmg, so it will be very hard to replace. If you've got a bunch of ex to spend you can do better, but otherwise...

You definitely can complete all guardians/shaper with the build. I just did all 4 guardians on 0-1 deaths and I am a pretty bad player! :D

Can't speak to breach as I don't have the time to play this league.

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DemonBloodbath wrote:

Sorry, invested heavily in this build and now tried Tul...and had NO chance whatsoever...so utterly disappointed in this build... Had loads of fun until now. Still I have to conclude: The Shield Charge version might be nice for leveling by killing millions of packs, but even with Conc Effect, capped resis and endgame gear, seems useless as it deals to low damage against breach lords and higher tier bosses.

It takes about ages to just scratch Tul and thus pretty sure, the same applies for all other breach lords, guardians etc. Not positive anything will significantly change at Lv 98, given I manage to level up this high...already saw the limits with a T12 boss before. Didn't manage to kill him as well, just the same as with Tul...Maybe will have to switch to Cyclone after all or scrap the build, which would really hurt given the fun i had with packs and lower tier bosses so far...

The Ancestral Warchief totem btw. is dead all the time in a second. Not really sure if and how it helps with higher lv bosses as it baerly can take any hits. Didn't help me wiht Tul etc. at all.

Izaro: One shot and i was dead on Merciless on the third round. Hardly can imagine facing him in Uber Labyrinth ;-) No face tanking possible whatsoever...if I cannot take him, how can I facetank and kill the Guardians, Shaper, Uber Atziri etc.

Again: SC version seems to be very limited. So far not seeing the value for killing endgame bosses of hiher levels.

Uhmm... no. You might just be failing because you only have 4 ascendency nodes (just looked at your character)? Your haven't even completed your merciless lab yet. You are missing a huge amount of damage from onslaught/20% cull/15 % radius/20% "more" damage/etc. That is your fault, not the build's.

While the build is not optimized for guardians/shaper (it's min/max around fast farming t15s in 2 mins), it can definitely complete all of this content once you are leveled/geared. I am not a skilled player, and I easily killed all 4 guardians (see videos in OP). Just farm t13-15 with SC till you are happy with your level, then swap to cyclone links (or get a 2nd 6L to swap) for farming guardians/shaper. It only costs a few chromes to recolor so you can freely swap back and forth between the play styles even if you are on a budget.

Your gear is pretty good, you shouldn't be having trouble. Particularly with uber lab... I have gone deathless on about my last 20 runs straight with minimal attention. You are only lvl 83... the difference between level 83 and 93 is 1k+ life (flat life from levels + life in tree). That makes a huge difference for boss farming. If you get to lvl 90 + and swap to cyclone, you will have no trouble with guardians.

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sknabi wrote:

oi. you must be kidding man.
this build recks bosses. are you serious? but you cant just sit there facetanking damage, you gotta go in and out. I regularly farm breachlords, and have mediocre gear, and this is my first league playing path of exile. :/

^ This. THANK YOU.

Appreciate people who follow the guide sharing their experience. You can take the build very far with even mediocre gear. I was able to kill guardians last league with my unfinished/non-legacy stuff with a simple swap to cyclone.

With my finished setup (7k life +) I can facetank literally all hits from guardians/shaper, with the exception of each of their "slam" attacks (they each have 1). These are predictable with a long wind up, and easy to avoid... almost no builds face tank them. For example with shaper... you can facetank literally everything except his teleport smash thing. Needing to dodge 1 thing from the hardest bosses in the game is appropriate; it would be boring just to stand in place and hold a button. :D

between 15% atk speed and 40% inc dmg, which is better, which give us more dps than the other ?

Thanks for your previous reply and the inclusion of the map mods section, really appreciate it!
I find it pretty difficult to do uber lab, not because of Izaro but i seem to take quite alot of damage from traps as a result of abyssus. What are you strategies when farming uber lab?

Here is my current gear in Breach SC: