[3.2]Blink & Mirror Arrow Necromancer * Shaper down * Build of the Week * Deadeye version added*

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dariidar wrote:

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Would it be able to complete all the challenges?

It better be able to, because it's what I'll be playing!

I've never played PA, but it seems that PA is a bit easier to set up - less required links/gems, etc.
However, once my build is all put together, it should have similar survivability and clearspeed to PA. Maybe slightly tankier against certain bosses thanks to the Zombie wall.

Alright, sounds good. I might do this build instead. I enjoy summoners but it's a pain to find spectres every single time you log on, and spamming the SRS-button does get boring at times.

Hi,
Gratz for the BOTW. (I have followed ur other build, magma + lightning +knock back, it was 'ok' for me.. but im not that pro..)

Talking about this build..
Explain to me the MUST in having a +1 arrow corruption.

Does the mirror/blink create two clones (on top of each other), is that it?

@DarqKiller

the +1 arrow does not give you extra clones. The +1 arrow does give your clones an extra projectile when they attack.

The quiver is more of a luxury. You can get by just fine with a regular quiver that has %elemental damage with weapons, and maximum life. Such a quiver should cost about the same amount as a decent 5-linked rare item. The priority of gear upgrade should be 4L Deerstalker -> 1st 5-link -> 2nd 5-link -> +1 quiver -> 6-links.

With a +1 quiver equipped I can remove 1 of the GMP gems and replace it with a damage-boosting gem (Added Lightning). The result is that I still have similar DPS against large packs of monsters, but it also gives me 30% more single-target DPS.

Thanks for the answer!
Hmm, so the clones will just attack with two arrows? (one of them as u said to take off one of the gmp on one of the 5L)
I think I can understand that. The clear speed would seem to suffer, though the MORE single damage would be lovely. (now I saw.. Chain + GMP = LESS² =/ )

by the way, why are u using that ammy? cuz its like a free minion dmg etc, jewel?

p.s. the "phys to lightning" gem would be best substituted by "Added lightning" cuz there is no phys dmg node on the tree, correct? (the same idea against hatred, y?)

p.s.2: nice to see someone with only a lv 2 empower.. no GG lv 4 etc =)

p.s.3: I can see a nerf incoming (idk why... but.. uk..) ='(

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The clear speed would seem to suffer, though the MORE single damage would be lovely. (now I saw.. Chain + GMP = LESS² =/ )

The less modifiers are not that big of a deal, we still do plenty of dps (see "What's my DPS" section of guide). I'll use the spreadsheet from that section to show you how the math works out:

1st gem configuration, Without +1 quiver:
The 6L (Mirror Arrow + Minion Damage + WED + Added Lightning + GMP + Chain) would deal 13,288 dps with 5 arrows.
The 5L (Blink Arrow + Minion Damage + WED + GMP + Chain) would deal 10,413 dps with 5 arrows.
This is a total of (13,288 x 5) + (10,413 x 5) = 118,505 dps if all 10 arrows hit (before chaining). That's equivalent to a Split Arrow+Chain (9 arrows) dps of 13,167 with 2 clones.
Single target dps with 2 clones would be 13,288 + 10,413 = 23,701 dps.

2nd gem configuration, With +1 quiver:
The 6L (Mirror Arrow + Minion Damage + WED + Added Lightning + GMP + Chain) would deal 13,288 dps with 6 arrows.
The rearranged 5L (Blink Arrow + Minion Damage + WED + Added Lightning + Chain) would deal 17,717 dps with 2 arrows.
This is a total of (13,288 x 6) + (17,717 x 2) = 115,162 dps if all 8 arrows hit (before chaining). That's equivalent to a Split Arrow+Chain (9 arrows) dps of 12,795 with 2 clones.
Single target dps with 2 clones would be 13,288 + 17,717 = 31,005 dps.

As you can see, the DPS is almost the same with the +1 quiver in the 2nd gem configuration. But the single target dps is 30% higher.
You also have the option of keeping the 1st gem configuration, while using a +1 quiver, to gain 20% more DPS against packs of monsters. (The single target DPS would not be improved, though)

Conclusion: +1 arrow quiver allows you to boost your single target DPS by ~30%, OR boost your pack-clearing DPS by 20%. It is not mandatory by any means, and should be lower priority than acquiring 5-linked items.

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the "phys to lightning" gem would be best substituted by "Added lightning" cuz there is no phys dmg node on the tree, correct? (the same idea against hatred, y?)

That's how the math works out. If you download the DPS spreadsheet, you can theorycraft your own support gem combinations and see what is most optimal for your build.

I'm trying to replace the Sidhebreath with one that has corrupted +minion damage or +additional curse on it. There are lots of options for amulets, Sidhebreath is not mandatory at all.

I don't suspect a nerf, the power level of this build feels quite fair compared to the current FOTM (SRS,Incinerate,Poison Arrow). Although they did nerf Blink/Mirror arrow the last time it was featured in BOTW :D

Super thanks for the damage explanation (and also the other ones)!
Those corruptions 'kill' me, I'm casual.. so vaal orbs are kinda weird to use, in my opinion... too much clutt.. RNG for my taste

anyway, Keep up the good work ;)

(hmm patch notes there... no NERF yet.. *fingerscrossed*)

*edit: i was willing to use this build from my 82 SRS witch... but.. meh idk if it would work..
imagining..



so do u think it will work? (prob redoing a scion... so many jewel sockets..)

I wanted to ask you if you think there is any merit to running this setup-

Basically you give up the top half of the tree (the dual curse/minion damage node by the double spectre) and ee to run more aura nodes+alpha howl. Basically with this setup you can have 54% aura effect and run hatred/wrath/anger/artic armour.

Here is a rough skill tree I made for this-



Also since I'm not using a dual curse setup/proccing ee, I thought I would might as well just use this as a hybrid setup with SRS. It would only be a 4 link but I might as well be casting something while my arrows are on cooldown.

To calculate "aura effect" would it just be for example, artcic armour is 13% damage reduction, with 54% aura effect, it would be 13x.54=20% damage reduction?

@DarqKiller yeah that should work.

@Fro Damn, that's a ton of aura effectiveness. I have a lot of thoughts here.

First of all, even though Arctic Armour reserves mana, it doesn't count as an aura. so it won't receive the bonus from aura effectiveness.

I also noticed that you've dropped Generosity and EE from this build. I understand that you wouldn't be able to use Generosity because everything needs to be in Alpha's Howl. But Generosity was previously giving us 39% inc aura effect, meaning that this new skilltree + helm combo gives us less aura effect than before!

Furthermore, the loss of EE is HUGE. EE can triple your damage against enemies with 75% resists! (No EE -> enemy takes 25% of your elemental damage. With EE -> enemy takes 75% of your elemental damage)

Now, let's talk about Hatred. According to my dps spreadsheet, Hatred would only grant you about 13% more dps. If you drop Hatred and use Generosity instead, you'd have a bigger boost to your Wrath+Anger auras and actually end up gaining 16% more dps (a bigger boost than Hatred). Furthermore, using Generosity means you'd deal 0 elemental damage with your character, so you could then use EE again and have a huge DPS boost.

tl;dr new tree is okay but the current aura setup (with EE) gives us the most DPS. Also, since we're losing an ES helm I'd recommend using a tree with a bit more %ES to make up for it.

I think that SRS casting would be suboptimal because we lack castspeed from tree/Staff, and we lack the Haste aura. But feel free to try it anyways!

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dariidar wrote:

@DarqKiller yeah that should work.

@Fro Damn, that's a ton of aura effectiveness. I have a lot of thoughts here.

First of all, even though Arctic Armour reserves mana, it doesn't count as an aura. so it won't receive the bonus from aura effectiveness.

I also noticed that you've dropped Generosity and EE from this build. I understand that you wouldn't be able to use Generosity because everything needs to be in Alpha's Howl. But Generosity was previously giving us 39% inc aura effect, meaning that this new skilltree + helm combo gives us less aura effect than before!

Furthermore, the loss of EE is HUGE. EE can triple your damage against enemies with 75% resists! (No EE -> enemy takes 25% of your elemental damage. With EE -> enemy takes 75% of your elemental damage)

Now, let's talk about Hatred. According to my dps spreadsheet, Hatred would only grant you about 13% more dps. If you drop Hatred and use Generosity instead, you'd have a bigger boost to your Wrath+Anger auras and actually end up gaining 16% more dps (a bigger boost than Hatred). Furthermore, using Generosity means you'd deal 0 elemental damage with your character, so you could then use EE again and have a huge DPS boost.

tl;dr new tree is okay but the current aura setup (with EE) gives us the most DPS. Also, since we're losing an ES helm I'd recommend using a tree with a bit more %ES to make up for it.

I think that SRS casting would be suboptimal because we lack castspeed from tree/Staff, and we lack the Haste aura. But feel free to try it anyways!

I did not plan on dropping Generosity, the setup would be alpha howl with Generosity+hatred+wrath+anger and then arctic armour in a random ring slot.

Does the dps still suffer a lot because of this?

Ohh, I understand now. I still think the dps suffers without EE, but perhaps SRS would be able to make up the difference. I can't say for sure, because I don't know how much DPS SRS would add. Just gotta try it!