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Maggothero wrote:
can anyone explain to me :
1.Why are you not using Immortal call? Can we survived without it in higher level maps?
2.What jewel do you use?
3.Can you run Atziri with this gem setup or need to change gem setup for Atziri?
Sorry for my bad english :(
Hi!
1. Since 2.0, Enduring cry is no longer a spell, but a Warcry. Since it's not a spell, it doesn't work with Cast (spell) when damage taken gem. Without it, the whole setup is not worth it.
2. I personally don't use any Jewels, but would suggest a rare ones with Inc Damage (Phys / with Daggers etc), inc max energy shield, increased life, chance to block with shields, inc crit multi/chance ...
3. Yes, you can run Atziri using this gem setup (make sure you have a curse remove flask if you plan on cursing atziri (she reflects curses to you)
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Posted bykralj87#7793on Aug 23, 2015, 4:51:03 AM
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Posted byMaggothero#6851on Aug 23, 2015, 6:35:41 AM
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Maggothero wrote:
Can I use this Jewel?
"Attack skills that create an AoE anchored on your character, like Cleave, Sweep or Ground Slam are completely unaffected by attack range, except for a few skills specifically basing their AoE radius on weapon range, namely Cyclone and Vengeance." - PoE Wiki - Range
So, basically, no. :)
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Posted bykralj87#7793on Aug 23, 2015, 1:02:25 PM
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kralj87 wrote:
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Maggothero wrote:
Can I use this Jewel?
"Attack skills that create an AoE anchored on your character, like Cleave, Sweep or Ground Slam are completely unaffected by attack range, except for a few skills specifically basing their AoE radius on weapon range, namely Cyclone and Vengeance." - PoE Wiki - Range
So, basically, no. :)
Thank you very much :)
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Posted byMaggothero#6851on Aug 23, 2015, 2:27:14 PM
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How difficult would it be to switch out the dagger nodes in favor of sword nodes so you could run Ice Crash? That would be pretty much the exact build I've been looking for!
I know you'd lose some crit, but maybe the increased physical % from the sword clusters would make up for the loss of damage
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Posted bynbriles2000#1072on Aug 24, 2015, 12:17:14 PM
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nbriles2000 wrote:
How difficult would it be to switch out the dagger nodes in favor of sword nodes so you could run Ice Crash? That would be pretty much the exact build I've been looking for!
I know you'd lose some crit, but maybe the increased physical % from the sword clusters would make up for the loss of damage
Well, you could do that, but I'm not sure how good would it be :/
This is the tree you might use. You'd loose 55% crit chance from tree, but gain some phys dmg and 4% block. You would also loose life regen from Bino's. Your call :)
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Posted bykralj87#7793on Aug 24, 2015, 2:36:44 PM
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maoster wrote:
if u really wanted to be tanky, a epic es evasion rare is the only way to go, dropping abyssuss isnt really an option. if you had a suitabily good rare chest, with incredible rings you could positive chaos res, all res capped and like 4k hp with 2k es. its better to drop hatred for defensive auras than to drop abysuss. grace, discipline with a lvl3 enlighten and conquerers efficency allows you to still run a herald and sustain on mana.
depending on set up i have like 6k armour no pots 3k life and 1.2k es and 200k dps to 12k armour no pots 60k dps 3k life 2k es.
but heres the thing, i am about to have 5 ec, i run a topaz flask, with increased evasion, jade flask of iron skill. i dont even run a fire res flask atm because i feel chaos dmgs is more threatening. and my cold res is 81 anyway. i dont ever use my hp pot, so if i wanted i could swap it to a ruby.
realistically, during clears you could have 30k armour +5ec + chaos golem, and 85 90 85 all resist with 5k effective life vs 1hkos, and infinite vs non 1hkos. and a passive enfeeble defence, with fortify always up, which is good enough everywhere except probably uber
Your ES scaling is really bad if you have 2k ES with good gear.
On my CoC build I get 2k life 4.9k ES, and 65 chaos res (125 total) with Voll's Protector armor that only has 70 ES. On my Scold's VMS build I have 3k life and 6.5k ES with a vaal regalia, and only 100 ES from Scold's. On a reaver you could get 2-2.5k life and 6-8k ES with CoE and a nice vaal regalia, and then you could use spell damage on shield + tree.
Once you're in the 8k+ EHP range then max res, armor, and block become "nice to have" instead of "mandatory".
Suggested Tree.
Should easily hit 3k life 6k ES and 100k DPS with CoE.
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T14 'real' clearspeed challenge /1642265 Last edited by MatrixFactor#3574 on Aug 24, 2015, 3:32:12 PM
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Posted byMatrixFactor#3574on Aug 24, 2015, 3:28:03 PM
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MatrixFactor wrote:
Your ES scaling is really bad if you have 2k ES with good gear.
On my CoC build I get 2k life 4.9k ES, and 65 chaos res (125 total) with Voll's Protector armor that only has 70 ES. On my Scold's VMS build I have 3k life and 6.5k ES with a vaal regalia, and only 100 ES from Scold's. On a reaver you could get 2-2.5k life and 6-8k ES with CoE and a nice vaal regalia, and then you could use spell damage on shield + tree.
Once you're in the 8k+ EHP range then max res, armor, and block become "nice to have" instead of "mandatory".
Suggested Tree.
Should easily hit 3k life 6k ES and 100k DPS with CoE.
Ouch, you're terribly missing a point. This is Aegis Aurora build. It's not a pure hybrid build. 7k Es is nothing compared to 2k Aegis max blok es.
Also, the main weapon is Bino's dagger, so Vaal pact is not an option.
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Posted bykralj87#7793on Aug 24, 2015, 5:47:45 PM
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MatrixFactor wrote:
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maoster wrote:
if u really wanted to be tanky, a epic es evasion rare is the only way to go, dropping abyssuss isnt really an option. if you had a suitabily good rare chest, with incredible rings you could positive chaos res, all res capped and like 4k hp with 2k es. its better to drop hatred for defensive auras than to drop abysuss. grace, discipline with a lvl3 enlighten and conquerers efficency allows you to still run a herald and sustain on mana.
depending on set up i have like 6k armour no pots 3k life and 1.2k es and 200k dps to 12k armour no pots 60k dps 3k life 2k es.
but heres the thing, i am about to have 5 ec, i run a topaz flask, with increased evasion, jade flask of iron skill. i dont even run a fire res flask atm because i feel chaos dmgs is more threatening. and my cold res is 81 anyway. i dont ever use my hp pot, so if i wanted i could swap it to a ruby.
realistically, during clears you could have 30k armour +5ec + chaos golem, and 85 90 85 all resist with 5k effective life vs 1hkos, and infinite vs non 1hkos. and a passive enfeeble defence, with fortify always up, which is good enough everywhere except probably uber
Your ES scaling is really bad if you have 2k ES with good gear.
On my CoC build I get 2k life 4.9k ES, and 65 chaos res (125 total) with Voll's Protector armor that only has 70 ES. On my Scold's VMS build I have 3k life and 6.5k ES with a vaal regalia, and only 100 ES from Scold's. On a reaver you could get 2-2.5k life and 6-8k ES with CoE and a nice vaal regalia, and then you could use spell damage on shield + tree.
Once you're in the 8k+ EHP range then max res, armor, and block become "nice to have" instead of "mandatory".
Suggested Tree.
Should easily hit 3k life 6k ES and 100k DPS with CoE.
I don't even know what to say to you, you could have a build with 5k hp and 10k es, but it doesn't matter because different builds do different things. i could do a 500k dps double striker using dual wield binos, with 5k hp and 5k es but i want to use aegis, cause facetanking olemcs just by pressing 5 buttons every 4 seconds is nice.
i have only aegis and carcass which give me es. discipline if i choose to use it
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Posted bymaoster#6098on Aug 24, 2015, 9:59:32 PM
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kralj87 wrote:
Ouch, you're terribly missing a point. This is Aegis Aurora build. It's not a pure hybrid build. 7k Es is nothing compared to 2k Aegis max blok es.
Also, the main weapon is Bino's dagger, so Vaal pact is not an option.
Well I read your cons section ("vulnerable to 1 shots"), your section about 2.0, and your section about rolling maps, and I thought this guy's having problems that I know how to fix... enter hybrid build.
Also your comment about 7k ES vs 2K Aegis is nonsense. I've killed uber atziri in Warbands with 3k HP/6.5k ES. 3k HP/2k ES with Aegis would have made me die to 1shots at the blue mobs, trio, and atziri herself, it would have been completely useless. Also I've done double boss + boss dmg + boss life crematorium, as well as double boss village ruin. There's no chance Aegis could do those. But a hybrid could.
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maoster wrote:
I don't even know what to say to you, you could have a build with 5k hp and 10k es, but it doesn't matter because different builds do different things. i could do a 500k dps double striker using dual wield binos, with 5k hp and 5k es but i want to use aegis, cause facetanking olemcs just by pressing 5 buttons every 4 seconds is nice.
i have only aegis and carcass which give me es. discipline if i choose to use it
Yeah but I'm saying you guys could have a build that is better defensively and equally as good offensively if you just forgot about aegis. Don't see how you can dismiss that. Also Olmec's is a 73 map. Let's talk uber Atziri or 82 maps. And if you do come up with a 500k double strike build with 5k HP + 5k ES please let me know, I'd love to see that.
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T14 'real' clearspeed challenge /1642265
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Posted byMatrixFactor#3574on Aug 25, 2015, 3:32:21 AM
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