The Closed Beta of The Awakening is live!

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fatmechanic wrote:

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starklife wrote:

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edgrubermn wrote:

People will never get that the only way to be fair is unfair to you...

Yes you supported them by buying support packs, etc... but in the eyes of statistics, you aren't any more important than any other account holder. The fact you spent money doesn't necessarily make your opinion mean more than someone else's. They aren't be specifically unfair to you, they are trying to be as fair as possible to everyone. the fact you're aren't getting preferential treatment seems unfair to you, but if they did give you that, then it would be unfair to everyone else by that very same logic.

By the same token, I don't necessarily disagree with giving supporters early access, or enhanced access or something similar. I'm not a supporter, yet, and I don't see giving back to your supporters as unfair to those who haven't, but it's not a right. Demanding just makes you seems selfish and immature to a certain point. I would also point out that this is just the first phase of the beta roll out; they aren't done yet. Perhaps your contributions will be rewarded in another way later.

I have to disagree, those willing to contribute should be more important than those who offer nothing. Even when it comes to statistics and all emotions aside money is business that's the bottom line.

I can understand that you think they should be fair by giving everyone an equal shot to participate even if they have contributed nothing.

But you're wrong, it is perfectly fair to give preference to those who contribute or have contributed over those who don't or haven't.

I can't speak for anyone else but as far as demands go the only thing I feel entitled to is a considerate response from GGG to those of us that care enough to feel really upset about this.

Damn right I'm selfish, I put time and money into this game it's important to me.

It's amazing how many people call others selfish or immature just because they don't care about something half as much.

Everyone is selfish and if you care enough about something you might come off as immature too when voicing how upset you are.

But I would hope my responses aren't coming off as immature, that is a serious thing to me, I don't think my feelings are irrational.

Your feelings *are* irrational. Like so many people have said earlier its a matter of unbiased feedback. But your biased opinion just cant seem to acknowledge this simple truth.

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starklife wrote:

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edgrubermn wrote:

People will never get that the only way to be fair is unfair to you...

Yes you supported them by buying support packs, etc... but in the eyes of statistics, you aren't any more important than any other account holder. The fact you spent money doesn't necessarily make your opinion mean more than someone else's. They aren't be specifically unfair to you, they are trying to be as fair as possible to everyone. the fact you're aren't getting preferential treatment seems unfair to you, but if they did give you that, then it would be unfair to everyone else by that very same logic.

By the same token, I don't necessarily disagree with giving supporters early access, or enhanced access or something similar. I'm not a supporter, yet, and I don't see giving back to your supporters as unfair to those who haven't, but it's not a right. Demanding just makes you seems selfish and immature to a certain point. I would also point out that this is just the first phase of the beta roll out; they aren't done yet. Perhaps your contributions will be rewarded in another way later.

I have to disagree, those willing to contribute should be more important than those who offer nothing. Even when it comes to statistics and all emotions aside money is business that's the bottom line.

I can understand that you think they should be fair by giving everyone an equal shot to participate even if they have contributed nothing.

But you're wrong, it is perfectly fair to give preference to those who contribute or have contributed over those who don't or haven't.

I can't speak for anyone else but as far as demands go the only thing I feel entitled to is a considerate response from GGG to those of us that care enough to feel really upset about this.

Damn right I'm selfish, I put time and money into this game it's important to me.

It's amazing how many people call others selfish or immature just because they don't care about something half as much.

Everyone is selfish and if you care enough about something you might come off as immature too when voicing how upset you are.

But I would hope my responses aren't coming off as immature, that is a serious thing to me, I don't think my feelings are irrational.

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saniol19993 wrote:

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edgrubermn wrote:

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starklife wrote:

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edgrubermn wrote:

People will never get that the only way to be fair is unfair to you...

Yes you supported them by buying support packs, etc... but in the eyes of statistics, you aren't any more important than any other account holder. The fact you spent money doesn't necessarily make your opinion mean more than someone else's. They aren't be specifically unfair to you, they are trying to be as fair as possible to everyone. the fact you're aren't getting preferential treatment seems unfair to you, but if they did give you that, then it would be unfair to everyone else by that very same logic.

By the same token, I don't necessarily disagree with giving supporters early access, or enhanced access or something similar. I'm not a supporter, yet, and I don't see giving back to your supporters as unfair to those who haven't, but it's not a right. Demanding just makes you seems selfish and immature to a certain point. I would also point out that this is just the first phase of the beta roll out; they aren't done yet. Perhaps your contributions will be rewarded in another way later.

I have to disagree, those willing to contribute should be more important than those who offer nothing. Even when it comes to statistics and all emotions aside money is business that's the bottom line.

I can understand that you think they should be fair by giving everyone an equal shot to participate even if they have contributed nothing.

But you're wrong, it is perfectly fair to give preference to those who contribute or have contributed over those who don't or haven't.

I can't speak for anyone else but as far as demands go the only thing I feel entitled to is a considerate response from GGG to those of us that care enough to feel really upset about this.

Damn right I'm selfish, I put time and money into this game it's important to me.

It's amazing how many people call others selfish or immature just because they don't care about something half as much.

Everyone is selfish and if you care enough about something you might come off as immature too when voicing how upset you are.

But I would hope my responses aren't coming off as immature, that is a serious thing to me, I don't think my feelings are irrational.

I don't dissuade you from having an emotional attachment, and I agree with you that GGG would do well to release some more information about how the beta rollout is going to go and what they may or may not do for those contributors and supporters that help pay them. I have no issues with that at all.

I would offer that you're incorrect, not everyone is selfish. Selfishness is thinking you're entitled to something at the expense of someone else. Being passionate about something you care about, however, isn't a negative. It's a fine line.

Like I said, I don't think it's unfair to give supporters something in return for their loyalty. My comment about statistics though, is very accurate... your money doesn't mean anything to mathematical calculations, it means something only to people. It's selfish that you think your time is more valuable then mine. Yes, I haven't given them money, but I will, as I feel they deserve something for the great game they have put together. It's not my fault they are offering this game for free, and quite frankly, your choice to give them money doesn't make you better than me, it just means you have given them monetary support.

Again... first phase of rollout... let's wait and see what else they have in store, that may include incentives for you supporters out there before everyone gets all upset and rage quits...... oh wait a bunch have already.... *sigh*