Path of Exile 1 Gameplay Help and Discussion - MF Farming: Gravicious or Dominus? - Forum

" Natharias wrote: " Mateo_swe wrote: When i did Dominus runs 95% of the currency i made was from chaos recipe. After a day of farming i could have a nice collection of chaos orbs. The other 5% was unique items like alphas howl, millegaros gloves and similar not to uncommon uniques that is quite easy to sell and many need them. And since i vendored almost all the rares that didnt went into chaos recipe i ended up with nice currency like jewelers, fusings, alcs... But since you dont get any xp from dominus runs i quit doing this. Its far better to do high lvl maps or Atziri. Even one doesnt have much mf at all, some uniques do drop anyway and they tend to be of higher quality also. Doing lvl 71 strand gave me an andvarius ring and the day after i found another andvarius ring. At this time they were atleast 2ex. Things like this happens all the time when doing maps. Yes sometimes there is far between the good stuff but sometimes they just fall like rain. My advice is to continue lvl your char instead of grinding dominus. Your character will get better and better as you lvl up and you will upgrade your gear with items found or traded for. After a while you can do highest lvl maps or even atziri and this is when you truly starting to make currency. This is the way to get rich in PoE. If you desperatly want get rich and get shavs, mjölners and this kind of stuff what you should do is make a new char, a build that is confirmed one of the esiest/cheapest Atziri killers and try lvl fast and start farming Atziri. I bet you will have your shavs within a month and the rest on your list will come soon after. There's one big problem. That requires currency and items that I don't have, and I don't have characters to remake into someone who can do maps reliably. The only one that comes close is a life and life regeneration focused Templar that relies on Incinerate and will add in Righteous Fire, but RF takes away all but ~2-3% of his 13.7% life regeneration. He has 202% increased life planned by level 80. Every point beyond that is either going into a strength node or going towards getting more %life. The problem with even that is there is no mitigation. Armor is just as costly as the gear I want for my other builds, evasion isn't that good, damage avoidance was nerfed six feet into the ground from GGG's lack of care (though we all know it's really something else, I'm just holding back and being nice), and even dual Cybil's Paws won't help much. The only characters I could do level 72+ without ever dying were from damage avoidance. Everything else requires expensive gear only obtained from grinding things like Dominus. Even one death completely nullifies ALL of your effort. It only becomes more and more painful the higher your level and higher levels demand higher level maps. By level 80 you only get ~30% of normal experience from lower level maps, and only half from mid-level maps. So once you hit 80 it's asinine to do maps for experience. My level 79 barely gets 10% from a single 66 map, which is without increased pack size, magic, or rare monsters. And I'm not even going to get started on high level maps. The only time you use those is with a shit-ton of quantity on it and that means some powerful mods. No this isn't "death", but it drastically multiplies the risk factor to your experience. I don't have the currency or items to do those maps reliably. Oh yes, I could do them. If I don't desync, lag, have to deal with something in real life, and control my character perfectly I can absolutely do it without any deaths. But that isn't going to be the case. This game does have serious desync problems, I'm not alone on the internet in this house, and you always have the occasional power-outage. So I'm not about to lose weeks worth of effort in a single moment because I got bored farming Dominus, or even Gravicius. What? i started torment just 2 weeks ago and i farm az since 2 days... i had nothing... used a Arc witch build http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1145673/page/1 i didnt farm ANYTHING! i almost got everyting on the way (well ofcourse i had to buy some stuff) but it was pretty easy. doing 17k arc and 8k storm i am level 84 at the moment. so you are wrong in every way. i am farming 75~ maps easy too (just becaurefull about reflect) Last edited by Baldry#0272 on Mar 8, 2015, 5:03:27 PM	Posted by Baldry#0272 on Mar 8, 2015, 5:01:31 PM Quote this Post
" Baldry wrote: What? i started torment just 2 weeks ago and i farm az since 2 days... i had nothing... used a Arc witch build http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1145673/page/1 i didnt farm ANYTHING! i almost got everyting on the way (well ofcourse i had to buy some stuff) but it was pretty easy. doing 17k arc and 8k storm i am level 84 at the moment. so you are wrong in every way. i am farming 75~ maps easy too (just becaurefull about reflect) Then you must have amazing luck, because I have negative luck. Every single game I always get the worst drops. I never once got a good unique that I wanted in Diablo II and I had spent years in that game. You're also playing in a temporary league where things are considerably cheaper, so getting the items through trade will be far easier. I don't have the time to invest into a temporary league, unlike you. So consider Standard's inflation and maps, and what I said is true.	Posted by Natharias#4684 on Mar 8, 2015, 5:22:44 PM Quote this Post
3:20 Dominus Run with good but far from godly gear... unless you consider 6L chests to be godly ( tho i'm doing the same now with 5L greads embrace .. so 5L is more than enough ) , and with full MF gear https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0m7kOdtBWE&feature=youtu.be Gear Spoiler used in the video .. but i don't use it anymore "I'm going to show you pain you never knew existed, you're going to see a whole new spectrum of pain!!!!! Like a RAINBOW!" Last edited by KorgothBG#4084 on Mar 8, 2015, 7:15:21 PM	Posted by KorgothBG#4084 on Mar 8, 2015, 7:12:13 PM Valued Poster Quote this Post
" KorgothBG wrote: 3:20 Dominus Run with good but far from godly gear... unless you consider 6L chests to be godly ( tho i'm doing the same now with 5L greads embrace .. so 5L is more than enough ) , and with full MF gear https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0m7kOdtBWE&feature=youtu.be Gear Spoiler used in the video .. but i don't use it anymore Well let's look at what is godly. Both of your gold rings, your gold amulet, Havoc Crown (especially since I have my eye on Mjolner, and all that strength would help avoid an Astramentis, which translates to a Voll's Devotion amulet for even better damage output, and finally you have a six-linked armor with some very good attributes. Let me share my crap with you. Spoiler That's with a build that just finished Dominus' quest, so I've killed him but once with that character. I have no IIQ, and 118% IIR. You have 287% IIR and 80% IIQ. You have, effectively, 6.96 times more magic finding than I do. Each one of your runs is worth seven of mine. So your gear is godly.	Posted by Natharias#4684 on Mar 8, 2015, 9:46:05 PM Quote this Post
Well to be honest i've acquired the rings, the amulet, the mace ( i was using a crappy axe before ) and the helmet from actual Dominus farming. The gloves, belt and boots are dirt cheap, as i said i now use 5L instead of 6 and there is no real difference to be honest with you... also first i used tabula rasa. Same goes for the gems 20% or 0% faster attacks makes little difference. In my opinion your build approach towards Dominus farming is wrong. You need a couple of things to do it fast and effective. 1. You need to go as fast as you can there skipping all monster encounters. The best ways to do that are leap slam and whirling blades. 2. You need high IIR/IIQ ... you said that i have 287% IIR and 80% IIQ .. actually that's not true.. i have more because i do the killing blow with the Heavy strike + BM + IIR + IIQ .. so it's actually more... 42% IIQ, 67% IIR more... anyway .. as i said you need a lot of iir/iiq. your rings/amulet/belt .. all that they give is resists and some life ... get IIR rings and amulet instead .. hell you can buy white gold rings -> alt them to the point where you get some more IIR ( it's not that hard ) ... regal them then master craft some resists. That's extremely cheap and will boost your IIR greatly. If you end up with not enough resists spend a point or two for resists on your tree, or use Purity aura. Also USE a 3-4L IIR + IIQ skill setup with culling strike ( if you are not going to use reaper's pursuit on swap ) for that last hit... it makes a huge difference. 3. In the end my gear is good but with a lot less you can achieve similar results .. after all i've started with a lot less. 4. In general i find solo caster IIR/IIQ builds to be very inefficient when it comes to dominus farming ... that's why i use 2h physical leap slammer... and as the video shows it works well. Actually any melee build does better when it comes to solo dominus farming... all you need is an acceptable weapon... and getting one atm is extremely easy and it comes very cheap. You've said it yourself ... you've just finished the Dominus quest ... it will get better eventually .. tho i don't consider incinerate to be the optimal build for dominus farming. So on the question of this thread... Gravicious or Dominus .. at this point... i'd say none .. i'd actually suggest to create and use another char ...with a different build made exactly for dominus farming. I've found out that making a build for a specific purpose is very different then making a build for ... everything... P.S. please master craft your gear ... it hurts my eyes to see it like that. P.P.S. Just tried the general with my build ... on average he dropped 3 rares. "I'm going to show you pain you never knew existed, you're going to see a whole new spectrum of pain!!!!! Like a RAINBOW!" Last edited by KorgothBG#4084 on Mar 9, 2015, 6:03:55 AM	Posted by KorgothBG#4084 on Mar 9, 2015, 5:36:28 AM Valued Poster Quote this Post
" KorgothBG wrote: 1. You need to go as fast as you can there skipping all monster encounters. The best ways to do that are leap slam and whirling blades. Leap Slam doesn't work with claws, and Cybil's is a must-have for me right now. " KorgothBG wrote: as i said you need a lot of iir/iiq. your rings/amulet/belt .. all that they give is resists and some life ... get IIR rings and amulet instead Perhaps you didn't notice that they do have some IIR. And besides, I require the life and res on them otherwise I wouldn't be able to play at all. One of them is pure IIR, in fact. " KorgothBG wrote: hell you can buy white gold rings -> alt them to the point where you get some more IIR ( it's not that hard ) ... regal them then master craft some resists. No, I can't. I don't have the currency or the luck to do it. The few times I tried I'd get shit rolls. Right now I'm just farming Catacombs for alts, raw currency, and experience. It's really all I can do. Gravicius would give alts at a faster rate but I miss out on currency drops. I'm lucky to have a legacy 23% IIQ Sadima's. " KorgothBG wrote: If you end up with not enough resists spend a point or two for resists on your tree, or use Purity aura. Also USE a 3-4L IIR + IIQ skill setup with culling strike ( if you are not going to use reaper's pursuit on swap ) for that last hit... it makes a huge difference. Already did as much as I could, and don't have the colors on Reaper's to swap out yet. And culling is pointless if I'm not farming bosses, so I'm not planning on getting that colored and linked any time soon. " KorgothBG wrote: 4. In general i find solo caster IIR/IIQ builds to be very inefficient when it comes to dominus farming ... that's why i use 2h physical leap slammer... and as the video shows it works well. Actually any melee build does better when it comes to solo dominus farming... all you need is an acceptable weapon... and getting one atm is extremely easy and it comes very cheap. That's quite wrong. I can get away with using IIQ and IIR on my Incinerate, but I don't because any little chaos damage will completely destroy me. Even then, Faster Casting and Faster Projectiles don't save me from two snake shots or the one EK from the minis before Dominus. They do save me from one snake projectile. Without FC and FP, I get 42k DPS. No damage investment. Nothing. I doubt any weapon will yield the same results short of Mjolner. " KorgothBG wrote: You've said it yourself ... you've just finished the Dominus quest ... it will get better eventually .. tho i don't consider incinerate to be the optimal build for dominus farming. It is. It comes with built in LGOH (hence Cybil's), does amazing DPS without any investment, and can easily fit IIQ and IIR without any problems.	Posted by Natharias#4684 on Mar 9, 2015, 5:20:00 PM Quote this Post
" Natharias wrote: " KorgothBG wrote: 4. In general i find solo caster IIR/IIQ builds to be very inefficient when it comes to dominus farming ... that's why i use 2h physical leap slammer... and as the video shows it works well. Actually any melee build does better when it comes to solo dominus farming... all you need is an acceptable weapon... and getting one atm is extremely easy and it comes very cheap. That's quite wrong. I can get away with using IIQ and IIR on my Incinerate, but I don't because any little chaos damage will completely destroy me. Even then, Faster Casting and Faster Projectiles don't save me from two snake shots or the one EK from the minis before Dominus. They do save me from one snake projectile. Ok so you are saying that i'm wrong and then you are confirming why i'm actually right ... to dumb your comment down "I can get away with using IIQ and IIR on my Incinerate, but I don't ( read can't) because i'll die." the thing is that from my experience exactly incinerate has problems with survival and it takes a lot more time per run while having full IIR/IIQ gear.... unlike what i currently run ... thus making it far less effective ... thus making it extremely undesirable ( for me ) as a solo Dominus/Piety IIR/IIQ farmer. For a general build? Sure it's fine! For a IIR/IIQ solo boss farmer .... no ... just ... no. anyway... I really wish you all the best and i hope that you'll be happy your build in the end ^^ I'd be happy to see Dominus farming video when the build is done :) "I'm going to show you pain you never knew existed, you're going to see a whole new spectrum of pain!!!!! Like a RAINBOW!" Last edited by KorgothBG#4084 on Mar 9, 2015, 6:00:17 PM	Posted by KorgothBG#4084 on Mar 9, 2015, 5:52:04 PM Valued Poster Quote this Post
What would be the fastest way to farm dominus with cheap equipment, assuming deaths are not an issue? Flameblast Prolif? I do a tri-arc totem pure glass, but it's 8 minutes per run along with selling due to annoying mobs. https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1394759 - Suggestion for beginner tutorial.	Posted by Exialis#6446 on Mar 9, 2015, 7:13:29 PM Quote this Post
" KorgothBG wrote: Ok so you are saying that i'm wrong and then you are confirming why i'm actually right ... to dumb your comment down "I can get away with using IIQ and IIR on my Incinerate, but I don't ( read can't) because i'll die." If you want to attack me personally, yes that is how you should read it. /endsarcasm. I don't run purities because I'm running HoI and HoT. This way I can run IIQ/IIR instead of added damage gems. I can kill Dominus in both forms in under two minutes. It's close to one minute. If I try to run purities, I'd only end up being able to run one of them along with Clarity, which is a must-have for me. So the most I'll get out of the one purity is ~20-30 res (elements) and ~30-40 from a specific one. Not worth it when I can run two Heralds which will help considerably for DPS. So, to correctly "read" it, I "need res and life on rings". " KorgothBG wrote: the thing is that from my experience exactly incinerate has problems with survival and it takes a lot more time per run while having full IIR/IIQ gear Then you weren't using GMP/LMP, Spell Echo, Cybil's Paw, or other things that make Incinerate shine. If you're fighting bosses, raw damage usually wins out hands down. But if you're fighting trash mobs (even rares are considered trash to incinerate), Faster Casting will win all the time. That's because you get the 400% more damage faster than you would with raw damage gems. Cybil's Paw also really shines because it gives 6-8 LGOH per projectile, which is why I favor GMP. If I fire into a group of enemies, the LGOH and Life Leech support gem allow me to still gain life/ES while going up to stage four. Not to mention health will go up like a rocket with dual Cybil's Paws. Here is a good example of someone boasting the power of Cybil's Paw. He claims to have 1+k life per second from Cybil's LGOSH alone, can bypass the LL support, can "out heal" Corrupted Blood (which is easy and I all builds with Incinerate should have no trouble if using Cybil's Paw), and so on. I believe every bit and that it can and is being done now after block's death nerf. In fact, it's the only "cheap" build that could do all content. The sheer survivability of dual Cybil's Paw with as much block as you can get, Acrobatics, and MoM will be a very powerful build. But the only reason I avoid it is because it is Incinerate; which I've used almost exclusively due to how easy it is to use and how cheap it is to run. Incinerate is the ONLY offensive skill that can simply be thrown into a character and the DPS would be acceptable. A four-link on any build will yield 20-30k DPS, depending on passives and gear. On casters, it can go as high as 35-45k. Put it in a five or six-link, and the DPS will skyrocket. If you've seen those 7.1-7.5k tooltip incinerators using LMP, their full potential DPS is 85+k. On par with most other high clear speed builds. " KorgothBG wrote: I really wish you all the best and i hope that you'll be happy your build in the end ^^ I'd be happy to see Dominus farming video when the build is done :) I don't do videos. Not likely too either.	Posted by Natharias#4684 on Mar 9, 2015, 7:58:24 PM Quote this Post
Finally. And with only 23% IIQ and 52% IIR. I don't really give a flying fucking shit if Solaris Lorica is a "high" grade unique, to me it is. Top tier. Now to throw all of my currency into six-linking it.	Posted by Natharias#4684 on Mar 9, 2015, 10:47:21 PM Quote this Post