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Lets just be clear,

Victordoom you think physical damage out performs elemental damage?

And Wishinan - you think rare gloves offer more dps than those new unique gloves?

LOL

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pengant wrote:

Lets just be clear,

Victordoom you think physical damage out performs elemental damage?

And Wishinan - you think rare gloves offer more dps than those new unique gloves?

LOL

Yes i do, so does everyone who knows 2 things about the game, and the developers know this as well. The only people that think physical damage is bad compared to elemental is newbies that dont understand how it works.

You know why elemental is easier? because ele gear is easy to find, 20k elemental damage is CRAP compared to 20k Physical damage. Dont believe me? try Ethereal Knives.

OR try getting some good physical weapons and start cleaving or using ground slam, its incomparable to elemental because it passes right through mitigation, you do the full damage always, curse enemies with vulnerability and you clear maps faster than any ele build can.

Also physical damage requires NO leech gems, you get the leech on gear.

stop being a smartass, try to actually learn the mechanics and how the game works before you get in arguments with people about stuff you dont know.

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aristolholy wrote:

even player who stack 8-12% life node they must stack around 40-60 8-12% life node to get 400-500% life

and from 2 ring alone u can get around 100% all resist, can have higher resist than that

I said the 80-90 HP on gloves would equate to 400-600 HP on someone who stacked life % nodes. I never said 400-500%.

Assuming 2 rings are going to give you 100% all res, that means each ring gives 50 All Res. But that is also going to mean that this ring will be giving way lesser DPS compared to the 20% All res ring that I used in my example. So it balances out really.

Also as I mentioned a few posts earlier, overcapping res is going to be so important, especially in maps with ele weakness or -max res cap, or worse still maps with both. And a Thunderfist doesn't seem to be able to aid much in that aspect.

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pengant wrote:

Lets just be clear,

Victordoom you think physical damage out performs elemental damage?

And Wishinan - you think rare gloves offer more dps than those new unique gloves?

LOL

i said taking into account both sustainability AND DPS. Please re-read my post.

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TheAnuhart wrote:

Indeed, LA rangers are gonna love these too, but they appear to have wander written all over them by design and give-take principle.

I mean, a well geared wander is ~guaranteed to proc shock. But duration being governed by enemy life, we have double duration and more lightning dmg in the gloves. Pretty much exactly what the build wants. Then, what is the weakness of the build? Life and, to a lesser extent, accuracy on ST. OK we gonna have some of that off you. Brilliant item imho.

well the la ranger could prolly spec out of static blows. i think most rangers struggle with sustainability really.

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Wishinan wrote:

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pengant wrote:

Lets just be clear,

Victordoom you think physical damage out performs elemental damage?

And Wishinan - you think rare gloves offer more dps than those new unique gloves?

LOL

i said taking into account both sustainability AND DPS. Please re-read my post.

You clearly didn't though did you.

You said 'In terms of dps and surviability blah blah rare gloves are better'.

You meant to say 'In terms of survivability rare gloves are better' and maybe 'and the greater dps on the unique gloves doesn't make up for it in my opinion'

But you didnt? .....

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VictorDoom wrote:

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pengant wrote:

Lets just be clear,

Victordoom you think physical damage out performs elemental damage?

And Wishinan - you think rare gloves offer more dps than those new unique gloves?

LOL

Yes i do, so does everyone who knows 2 things about the game, and the developers know this as well. The only people that think physical damage is bad compared to elemental is newbies that dont understand how it works.

You know why elemental is easier? because ele gear is easy to find, 20k elemental damage is CRAP compared to 20k Physical damage. Dont believe me? try Ethereal Knives.

OR try getting some good physical weapons and start cleaving or using ground slam, its incomparable to elemental because it passes right through mitigation, you do the full damage always, curse enemies with vulnerability and you clear maps faster than any ele build can.

Also physical damage requires NO leech gems, you get the leech on gear.

stop being a smartass, try to actually learn the mechanics and how the game works before you get in arguments with people about stuff you dont know.

Ok here's some quotes for you from the development manifesto. I'll highlight the important words for you so it's easy to grasp.

Physical damage (closely associated with melee characters) is currently seen as inferior to elemental damage. One of the factors contributing to this is that it has no "on-critical" effect like the elemental damage types do.

The physical-elemental disparity will be addressed. There will probably be an on-critical effect introduced for physical damage (which may be as simple as a guaranteed stun, but the options are still being considered).

You look pretty stupid now.

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pengant wrote:

You meant to say 'In terms of survivability rare gloves are better' and maybe 'and the greater dps on the unique gloves doesn't make up for it in my opinion'

This is the epitome of the discussion regarding Thunderfist.

I don't think more needs to be said.

At the end of the day, you decide for your character if it needs DPS or survivability.

But I'm pretty sure that in a game like POE where death penalties incur a 15% loss in EXP or in hardcore where death is permanent, a BIS item has to offer much more then just DPS.

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pengant wrote:

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VictorDoom wrote:

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pengant wrote:

Lets just be clear,

Victordoom you think physical damage out performs elemental damage?

And Wishinan - you think rare gloves offer more dps than those new unique gloves?

LOL

Yes i do, so does everyone who knows 2 things about the game, and the developers know this as well. The only people that think physical damage is bad compared to elemental is newbies that dont understand how it works.

You know why elemental is easier? because ele gear is easy to find, 20k elemental damage is CRAP compared to 20k Physical damage. Dont believe me? try Ethereal Knives.

OR try getting some good physical weapons and start cleaving or using ground slam, its incomparable to elemental because it passes right through mitigation, you do the full damage always, curse enemies with vulnerability and you clear maps faster than any ele build can.

Also physical damage requires NO leech gems, you get the leech on gear.

stop being a smartass, try to actually learn the mechanics and how the game works before you get in arguments with people about stuff you dont know.

Ok here's some quotes for you from the development manifesto. I'll highlight the important words for you so it's easy to grasp.

Physical damage (closely associated with melee characters) is currently seen as inferior to elemental damage. One of the factors contributing to this is that it has no "on-critical" effect like the elemental damage types do.

The physical-elemental disparity will be addressed. There will probably be an on-critical effect introduced for physical damage (which may be as simple as a guaranteed stun, but the options are still being considered).

You look pretty stupid now.

Oh do i? i spoke with the devs quite a few times, yesterday i talked to Neon on domis stream we all pretty much agreed how stupid people are for believing that physical is inferior to elemental, i told you why elemental is SEEN better than physical, because ele gear is easier to find. There i highlighted the word you apparently missed

Physical is better than elemental, get 20k elemental dps and 20k physical dps, guess which is better.. elemental is easier to achieve but physical will triumph it BY FAR.

Because as i told you, Physical damage is not mitigated by anything, elemental is mitigated by fixed resistance which you can only lower by curses, with physical you do the full damage all of the time and you can increase that damage further with vulnerability curse.

The only disparity is the mod pool, thats why people think physical is bad, because they dont get good physical gear, good elemental gear drops all of the time, but physical is always better.

Ok then

Which does more dps please.

20k lightning dps or 20k physical dps?

Edit - changed damage to dps as to not confuse