lol'd at cwdt nerf

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MullaXul wrote:

Point is some self cast spells deserve to be viable and they require penetration to do so. Other skills I.e explosive arrow and elemental melee skills could still be decent without it or with a reduced value of say 15-20% versus the current 35-36. Currently penetration is as bis a gem as it gets for elemental DMG, it makes such a huge difference that having nearly half your base DMG but penetrating resists you're still ahead.

Regardless cwdt should of been reduced by 50% like mentioned here and I mentioned it tons of times. The core issue lies in cwdt,cws and the fact its damn near a free 2nd, 3rd or 4th attack that triggers on its own while you're afk making a sandwich...resulting in kill after kill after kill. Less lazy shit, that's not what PvP should be. If you want to keep trigger gems a part of it to make PvP that much more accessible, OK. Just reduce the DMG appropriately, as low as vengeance,reckoning and riposte....40-60%.

Edit: oh and I get at face value cwdt,CWS have greater downsides to their requirements to even trigger in the first place. You'd think that evens shit out, well it doesn't as much as you'd expect. The damage difference between the counter gems and the original trigger gems is pretty big. Much of this is due to shotgunning, seriously.

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Tommie_Sjukskriven wrote:

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MullaXul wrote:

Point is some self cast spells deserve to be viable and they require penetration to do so. Other skills I.e explosive arrow and elemental melee skills could still be decent without it or with a reduced value of say 15-20% versus the current 35-36. Currently penetration is as bis a gem as it gets for elemental DMG, it makes such a huge difference that having nearly half your base DMG but penetrating resists you're still ahead.

Regardless cwdt should of been reduced by 50% like mentioned here and I mentioned it tons of times. The core issue lies in cwdt,cws and the fact its damn near a free 2nd, 3rd or 4th attack that triggers on its own while you're afk making a sandwich...resulting in kill after kill after kill. Less lazy shit, that's not what PvP should be. If you want to keep trigger gems a part of it to make PvP that much more accessible, OK. Just reduce the DMG appropriately, as low as vengeance,reckoning and riposte....40-60%.

Edit: oh and I get at face value cwdt,CWS have greater downsides to their requirements to even trigger in the first place. You'd think that evens shit out, well it doesn't as much as you'd expect. The damage difference between the counter gems and the original trigger gems is pretty big. Much of this is due to shotgunning, seriously.

Also how often will someone be taking a hit from vengeance when they can just outrange? And the vengeance might be enough to just trigger their cwdt and you'll be dead

Also, not 50% reduced but 50% less

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MullaXul wrote:

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Tommie_Sjukskriven wrote:

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MullaXul wrote:

Point is some self cast spells deserve to be viable and they require penetration to do so. Other skills I.e explosive arrow and elemental melee skills could still be decent without it or with a reduced value of say 15-20% versus the current 35-36. Currently penetration is as bis a gem as it gets for elemental DMG, it makes such a huge difference that having nearly half your base DMG but penetrating resists you're still ahead.

Regardless cwdt should of been reduced by 50% like mentioned here and I mentioned it tons of times. The core issue lies in cwdt,cws and the fact its damn near a free 2nd, 3rd or 4th attack that triggers on its own while you're afk making a sandwich...resulting in kill after kill after kill. Less lazy shit, that's not what PvP should be. If you want to keep trigger gems a part of it to make PvP that much more accessible, OK. Just reduce the DMG appropriately, as low as vengeance,reckoning and riposte....40-60%.

Edit: oh and I get at face value cwdt,CWS have greater downsides to their requirements to even trigger in the first place. You'd think that evens shit out, well it doesn't as much as you'd expect. The damage difference between the counter gems and the original trigger gems is pretty big. Much of this is due to shotgunning, seriously.

Also how often will someone be taking a hit from vengeance when they can just outrange? And the vengeance might be enough to just trigger their cwdt and you'll be dead

Also, not 50% reduced but 50% less

Ya I meant less ha. If you don't believe me go check my old posts! Ha jk, ya less for sure and that point about vengeance is spot on the cwdt trigger to death and all.

BTW are we clear on whether these PvP tweaks are traditional "reduced"? I know it feels like reduced, because they all seem to provide little impact. Though then you look at counter gems and they suck so damn bad 4linked that you'd think it was "less"

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MullaXul wrote:

Hahaha

Ya cyclone feels a tad weaker nothing to worry about.

Back to my ? On reduced/less https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1119964

If you read here its less,patch notes of 1.3 read reduced. increased and more also are addressed the same way. Hard to feel a 5-10% loss of DMG but something like 25-30% I'd expect to be more noticable. Example the counter gems

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terrex wrote:

All damage could be lowered by like 50%+ imo. Matches over in 1 second or 1-2 shots, that isn't fun or skilful.

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MullaXul wrote:

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terrex wrote:

All damage could be lowered by like 50%+ imo. Matches over in 1 second or 1-2 shots, that isn't fun or skilful.

Though I agree 1-2 shots suck. You can't just reduce everything 50%. What's strong stays strong and whats weak stays weak/becomes useless. This has to be a per skill balance, that's all there is to it. Unless they re assessed all things, tweaked themaccordingly then universally slid the DMG scaling back 50% across the board.....that's out of the question.