[2.0] SuperNova - whole screen 137K DPS Ice Nova | Atziri ez GGG featured

I started this build before some days and it's going really well so far. I'm lvl 72 reaching 9700dps on charges and the clear speed on low lvl maps is amazing. Early game i was struggling with ice nova until i started using 5L lightning warp for double curse instead of the 5L ice nova i was using till then. That changed everything, making lvling a lot more easier. Double curse seems really essential until you have both on more than 5L. The only problem i'm having so far is sustaining my mana on arctic armour.
My Items are these:

I see two problems with this build:

1- Very mana-intensive, even with +mana regen on my jewelry and AA off, I still run out of mana. With AA off or at low level, there's no real physical damage mitigation = insta-gibbed by leapers or physical damage dealing bosses.

Carcass Jack won't be viable in 2.0 where Reduce Mana and EB are nerfed. Cloak of Defiance would be a better option, but I will have to ditch Concentrated Effect otherwise the AoE would be ridiculously small.

2- Glass-canon build. Basically it works via either annihilating the mobs altogether or at least freezing them. The only defenses are cast-reliant LL, freeze, and AA (which cannot be used at a good level due to mana issues).

Cloak of Defiance, again, would provide some damage reduction in bad situations but it would use up mana and then OMPH.

I don't know how bad 2.0 looks like currently, but with those significant changes I would recommend people buying Cloak of Defiance instead of Carcass Jack for sure.

I would like to get a garuanteed confirmation from Aim_Deep about the CoD, so I know if I should buy it already now or not.

CoD will be our main chest FOR SURE?

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tsachiy1 wrote:

I would like to get a garuanteed confirmation from Aim_Deep about the CoD, so I know if I should buy it already now or not.

CoD will be our main chest FOR SURE?

He stopped updating this thread. Perhaps someone experienced could answer our questions.

This is reason enough for me: the CWDT gem setup no longer works in 2.0. So, physical damage will insta-gib us, we won't have enough time to life leech against, say, chargers since we would be dead within a second.

All monsters are buffed in 2.0, to makes matters worse for casters. Reduced Mana is nerfed to hell. Clarity gives less regen. General caster mana regen is also nerfed. 75% resists would be considered low.

Cloak of Defiance would allow us to have some survivability if we have a lot of mana regen, but....

- With the Eldrich Battery nerf, we won't get much from the +% mana regen since % mana regen depends on the mana pool. So, we would also need +mana on gear, but instead of what?

- Pledge of Hands gives +100% mana, so it helps with this problem somewhat, but we will still need +% mana regen anyway.

Overall, I think the caster class is now made to be a glass-canon in mind (this is what GGG seems to be working to achieve by all those nerfs), so this build is still viable since enemies are either frozen or killed. You just have to be fast on your feet and have quick reflexes.


Would this build still be Atziri viable? I think not, since they also nerfed GMP and shotgunning. I guess it can still do most maps. I'm not sure about Palace Dominus, either.

We will get a respec. If 2.0 is as bad as it is now for casters, I think I'll go item-rarity/item-quantity summoner-farmer, or make a SRS build.

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tsachiy1 wrote:

I would like to get a garuanteed confirmation from Aim_Deep about the CoD, so I know if I should buy it already now or not.

CoD will be our main chest FOR SURE?

I don't think cloak of defiance is necessary. I am currently using Carcass Jack. The inc. in AOE has great synergy with Ice Nova, and Lightning Warp Duo Curse.

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Mesolimbo wrote:

This is reason enough for me: the CWDT gem setup no longer works in 2.0. So, physical damage will insta-gib us, we won't have enough time to life leech against, say, chargers since we would be dead within a second.

When you are using Assassin Mark's, Warlord's Mark (which i think is mandatory in new expansion), Warlord's mark will provide the source for endurance charge. You don't need enduring cry in cwdt setup. Enduring Cry exist in the current setup for insurance purpose only.

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Mesolimbo wrote:

Cloak of Defiance would allow us to have some survivability if we have a lot of mana regen, but....
- With the Eldrich Battery nerf, we won't get much from the +% mana regen since % mana regen depends on the mana pool. So, we would also need +mana on gear, but instead of what?

Not running EB for sure.

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Mesolimbo wrote:

Reduced Mana is nerfed to hell. Clarity gives less regen. General caster mana regen is also nerfed.

Pledge of Hands gives +100% mana, so it helps with this problem somewhat, but we will still need +% mana regen anyway.

We are not even running clarity in new expansion.
we aim to sustain mana cost from mana leech of warlord's mark.

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Mesolimbo wrote:

Would this build still be Atziri viable? I think not, since they also nerfed GMP and shotgunning. I guess it can still do most maps. I'm not sure about Palace Dominus, either.

use Glacial cascade instead.

My Current Gear

EDIT: They made Mind over Matter very close to Witch on the passive tree. I'm seeing the possibility of using Carcass Jack while still getting Mind over Matter passive for extra stability.

Thanks for the reply MinaGing. We direly needed the opinion of an experienced player. I guess you are right about the essential nature of the Marks in 2.0. However, I don't like depending on endurance charges since I'm a very clumsy player. I like stability first and foremost. What are your thoughts on Catharsis' analysis?

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Catharsis wrote:

Some thoughts on 2.0 gem setup and gearing.

Carcass Jack vs CoD

CoD wins imo, we need the mana for a decent level AA and for the nova itself without EB.

But I read that AA was changed entirely now it's reducing a % of fire and physical damage. Also, it's using mana reservation now (25%), so no need for mana regen.

With CoD, I would probably find the stability I'm seeking while using Hybrid Flasks. Or I can get Carcass Jack + Mind over Matter passive, which is close to Witch on 2.0

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Catharsis wrote:

+1 Curse

For one jewel socket and the Dark Thoughts jewel we can have an extra curse, The radius around Elemental Dominion happens to have exactly 70 Int that are already allocated, freeing up the boots slot.

If this is accurate, then that's really good since I'm using The Vertex for 50% reduced mana cost and +level. It would be nice if I can use a high +life boots to make up for the life lost while using The Vertex. I'm thinking Kaom's Root for stun-immunity and tons of HP. Thanks for sharing.

That said, I think I'll get Alpha Howl instead of The Vertex since AA is now mana reservation skill and Clarity is useless and requires tons more mana to use.

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Catharsis wrote:

Conc Effect vs Hypothermia vs Added Lightning vs ICD

Conc Effect - 10% damage nerf, no mana reduction from quality, further AoE reduction that will be made worse without Carcass and halved AoE bonus from Ice Nova quality, No longer worth it Imo.
DPS: 987

Added Lightning - This gem gets a big damage buff (44% @ L20), the downsides are 17% less overall damage than with (nerfed) Conc Effect and less benefit from Cold Pen, lightning makes up 1/3 of the total damage with this gem, these downsides are somewhat mitigated by the extra shock ability for tanky mobs, this looks like the ideal choice ATM.
DPS: 842

Hypothermia - Provides slightly higher DPS than added lightning and makes better use of cold pen, the downsides are it requires a third green gem slot, and the first hit doesn't apply the multiplier (no chill)
DPS: 876

ICD - Better freezes and cold pen Use at the cost of less DPS than added lightning at full charges and significantly less at no charges, also higher risk of reflect deaths, not worth it imo.

1.3 DPS With conc is 814 for comparison.

*Gems are calculated as level 20

So yeah, I'm starting to see how CoD is not strictly needed in 2.0.

This will own in 2.0 prolly best caster because its immune to all mana changes due to LW and Warlords interaction. You dont need regen at all or EB. Warlords takes care of that.
NO EB NO Clarity
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4b_CA2BVCjY&index=4&list=UUfr_OnbD7g8uPk0s_mjzZLQ
No life or mana regen 75 map
http://youtu.be/rpVmb43N0kc

Im not sure what you mean by no phy defenses. I always have endurance up.

2.0 is looking great.
Get to run more heralds since i wont run clarity either
GEt to run with 1200-1800 ES on top of my 4800 life for thick EHP
Ice nova getting buffed
GC substitutes for shotgun just fine

But really its pointless exercise to discuss 2.0 ATM. Stuff is changing all the time.

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tsachiy1 wrote:

I would like to get a garuanteed confirmation from Aim_Deep about the CoD, so I know if I should buy it already now or not.

CoD will be our main chest FOR SURE?

No what for?

Thank you for the reply Aim_Deep. I'm going to invest 40+ ex for 6L and top notch gear since I love this build so much.

I want to get Alpha's Howl and use 3 auras for +maximum resistance, but I guess that's impossible in 2.0 with Reduced Mana becoming useless. But this build doesn't need more defense anyway.

What aura's and heralds are you running in 2.0? I'm thinking Purity of Elements + Ice/Thunder heralds.

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Mesolimbo wrote:

Thank you for the reply Aim_Deep. I'm going to invest 40+ ex for 6L and top notch gear since I love this build so much.

I want to get Alpha's Howl and use 3 auras for +maximum resistance, but I guess that's impossible in 2.0 with Reduced Mana becoming useless. But this build doesn't need more defense anyway.

What aura's and heralds are you running in 2.0? I'm thinking Purity of Elements + Ice/Thunder heralds.

you just need to get an Enlighten gem to level 3 or 4 for less mana reservation. Lvl 3 mana reservation is 0.92, lvl 4 is 0.88, with alphas it's 0.84 (level 3) and 0.8 (level 4). Should suffice imo, you can also take the tree for even less mana res