Herald of Ice

Hi,

First of all, this is a cool skill gem, thanks for it! :) Finally, a buff which affects non-physical spells. However, I'm interested in the exact calculation of the damage. Here are some informations:

Herald of Ice:
- lvl: 13
- damage: 74-110 (AoE), 28-37, 28-37
- tooltip damage: 169-251 (AoE), 28-37, 28-37

Ice spear tooltip damage:
- without herald: 484-726
- with herald: 568-837
- difference: 84-111

Damages from passive tree:
- spell elemental: 16%
- cold: 109%
- elemental: 8%
- spell: 32%

Herald of Ice damage in percentage
- AoE: 169/74 (or 251/110) ~ 228%
- 84/28 (or 111/37) = 300%
The flat Damage bonus simply adds to the Skill's base, which is then multiplied by all the usual.
The AoE should just be Cold/Elemental/Spell/AoE? *shrug*
I like the added damage of this skill, but I'm confused as to how it is supposed to work with supports. I figured that since it has low damage effectiveness it would be ideal to link it with no mana multiplier supports like Blind, Knockback, Curse on hit, and that since it is adding cold spell damage to my spell hits it could apply that to a skill like ice nova with its own separate supports. The trade-off being getting and using up potentially quite a few equipment gem sockets.

In testing I found that blind could not be applied on spell hit, but could be applied by the AOE explosion that happens on kill. How ever Curse on hit did not apply in either case.

So what I'm wondering is are we supposed to be able to apply its support effects on spell hit, but it's bugged, or only on AOE explosion?(which if so it seems like it must be bugged, based on the disparity between blind and curse on hit.)
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Supports always apply locally, see also Conc on Auras. Blind is supposed to only apply to the AoE.
Don't know why Curse on Hit doesn't work though. Far as I can tell it's legit.
Last edited by Vipermagi#0984 on Aug 25, 2014, 6:51:37 PM
Hey! what is the base radius on herald of ice ?:)
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Raxlea wrote:
is are we supposed to be able to apply its support effects on spell hit, but it's bugged, or only on AOE explosion?(which if so it seems like it must be bugged, based on the disparity between blind and curse on hit.)



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Vipermagi wrote:
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Don't know why Curse on Hit doesn't work though. Far as I can tell it's legit.



From http://pathofexile.gamepedia.com/Hit
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some effects have specific requirements, such as Life Gain on Hit only working with Attacks,
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Im pretty sure added damage, blind and other supports are only meant to work with the AOE, everything else would be pretty retarded. Why curse on hit doesn't work is beyond me, but the quote above may give an idea about the direction.
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Last edited by Chesto#0622 on Aug 26, 2014, 7:13:31 AM
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Raiz2 wrote:
Hey! what is the base radius on herald of ice ?:)

Edited. I've just had a look at the Gem once again and it seems that a Radius does exist for this. If so, this can be augmented with Elemental Proliferation. Credits to Vipermagi for pointing this out.
Last edited by xJuniel#4613 on Aug 26, 2014, 1:26:35 PM
It most definitely has a radius; both Heralds even have the AoE tag. He's not asking about the Buff part of the Heralds, but the on-Kill effect.
Question about how HoI interacts with supports like life/mana leech. It shows the icon on the tool tip but I can't quite tell if they're working. It would make sense if it didn't since HoI is doing the damage with the explosion on shatter and not me. I just can't quite get a good test to see if it works on my character or not. Can anyone confirm the interaction please?
Anyone tested hoi with crit weaknes and power charge on crit strike? And i wonder how hoi interact with inc rarity gem - it will be applied to killed monster or only to killed monster by explosion?

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