Act 4 Data Mining

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ninedeadeyes wrote:

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andkamen_race wrote:

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Do_odle wrote:

1) From lvl 80 to 100; you don't get THAT much stronger. By lvl 70 most builds already have a complete core and are at the very peak of their strength, nothing beyond that peak is very noticeable at all. The passives remain the same, the life and mana gain per remain the same.

I'd disagree A LOT. The difference between a lvl 80 build and a lvl 95 build can be huge. Those 15 points while they seem a small amount can be the difference between picking an important keystone vs not being able to pick it while maintaining survivability.

Think of foxtactics RF-arcer that killed uber atziri. There is no way that he could have done that at lvl 80.

I'm not saying that each build will be tremendously more powerfull with 15 more points but the best builds often are some of the most complex ones and this does require a large passive point investment.


PS. Grinding palace and courtyard 24/7 for weeks on end is boring as shit, that I agree about.

PPS. I would really love some more PvP updates as well. I focus on lld only right now though because it feels more balanced and is easier to gear and create chars.

Also you need to take into consideration how much your equipment improves by level 90 from level 80. My level 90 had 3x times the amount of dps as my level 85 and 1k of hp more because at higher level you focus on getting the most 'bad ass' equipment and levelling becomes secondary since it takes so long anyway.

Most people wont be finding better gear much i think i still have gear from way lower lvls that i can never find better of and im 90

Alright theory incoming cause I just realised:

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ChuanHsing wrote:

I can post more about it, npc talks, quest messages. They are leaked files from someone.

For august expansion, they are Hideout NPCs.

Tora, Master of the Hunt
Catarina, Master of the Dead
Makoa, Warmaster
Thealus, Master Assassin
Vagan, Weaponmaster
Elreon, Loremaster
Zana, Master Cartographer

You can build hideout, hire, dismiss these in your hideout.

5 fighter sounding characters, 2 that will probably just stick around the hideout as vendor-like NPCs.

Does this mean that if you play solo, you can hire yourself 5 AI party members, acting like a players x type thing? Rolling with a party of 1 ranger (tora), 1 witch (catarina), 1 marauder (makoa), 1 shadow (thealus) and 1 duelist (vagan). And I assume elreon is a templar and zana a scion.

Rogue exiles may not be the smartest things in the game but they do show that a player-like AI can exist. They'd probably just follow you around like minions and do their thing.

http://webcdn.pathofexile.com/image/widget/countdown/countdown.jpg?1405983297

Left to right: tora, elreon, makoa, thaelus, zana, catarina, vagan.


If I'm right, then this would be a REALLY great addition and worth its own expansion. It would finally close the gap between playing solo and in an organised party! Things I'm wondering now:
- If they come pre-geared or if you can gear them yourself. If they gear themselves, then there will probably be no item quantity boost, but if you have to gear them then I can expect them to increase drops so you can gear them all equally.
- They probably don't have their own inventory, but if they do then they probably take up map portals, making the 6 portal system actually matter to solo players.
- What would happen if they die? Respawn only once per instance? Drop all their stuff? Hardcore apply to them too?
- What would happen if someone real joins your party, auto-boot of an AI and a portal put where they last were for your friend to catch up to you with?


Anyway it's probably too much to hope for, but if this is really the case then I can totally see this being great for the game, fixing a fundamental problem of how the game is scaled to party play.

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Wooser69 wrote:

- If they come pre-geared or if you can gear them yourself. If they gear themselves, then there will probably be no item quantity boost, but if you have to gear them then I can expect them to increase drops so you can gear them all equally.

If this is all true, they BETTER be gearable, ill be so bummed out if not. Also, they should NOT effect drop rates at all, as for difficulty, i would think that needs to be upped, but probably not as high as real players.

Since we didn't get any real news today, MOAR datamining plox.

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Uvne wrote:

OK, that may be true for all I know. I don't play MMOs, so I guess I don't play "much of anything." I still don't see how this sets an industry precedent. I know both Sony and Microsoft's E3 announcements have been leaked before, and both of them just turtled up and made the best of it. And I still don't see the logical leap you made going from "Ha, this thread shows Kaom as a part of Act 4, therefore Chris lied about Kaom not being in the 1.2 expansion."

I never once stated Chris lied about anything, it was an example of how people say "so and so said this, and they work for GGG, so it has to be true" when in fact GGG isn't going to just come out and blurt out, Oh hey ya, Koam or as i said before "input hero name" is definetly going or not going to be here.

The whole point was people are tossing ideas out the window because they heard someone say it won't be in the expansion. Dismissing things because a Dev most of all told you it won't be there is just silly, because again they aren't going to just give out all the secrets for free. Don't know if you have gotten the point yet lol.

Don't really care if Chris or any dev lied or not, could really care less about anything they have to say on the expansion. To me they are just evil people trying to twist our minds to keep the truth from us.

Hence yet again, people shouldn't dismiss things so easily.

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Dait wrote:

To me they are just evil people trying to twist our minds to keep the truth from us.

Hahahaha what?

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Lynerus wrote:

Most people wont be finding better gear much i think i still have gear from way lower lvls that i can never find better of and im 90

Depends if you are a self found player or not. If you aren't a self found player you really should be able to purchase better items quite easily even though you might have to save up for them. If you are a self found player, well sucks to be you .

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Wooser69 wrote:

5 fighter sounding characters, 2 that will probably just stick around the hideout as vendor-like NPCs.

Does this mean that if you play solo, you can hire yourself 5 AI party members, acting like a players x type thing? Rolling with a party of 1 ranger (tora), 1 witch (catarina), 1 marauder (makoa), 1 shadow (thealus) and 1 duelist (vagan). And I assume elreon is a templar and zana a scion.

i don't think you can use them all at once - you need to choose one who follows you

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Do_odle wrote:

I would prefer end-game pvp were the end-game focus goal.

Why should a game, that is dedicated to 'its own' story on a pve background by design 'suddenly' turn into a dueling game? PvP is just an additional side-option.

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Do_odle wrote:

1) From lvl 80 to 100; you don't get THAT much stronger.

Just think why this is the case? As you now reach the "upper edge" of the game, xp-ing gets simply slower and slower: you cant 'skip' 5 or 10 levels that fast and easy as in normal anymore... And on the other hand; the actual passive tree reflects this: for the most, not uber-specific builds, with aroud 70...80 points you have anything with a major impact on your char already taken - anything beyond just tweaks it more and more; maxing numbers without the last neccessarity. If the upper limits of the game now would shifting, these calculations can (and will) be also adjusted...

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Do_odle wrote:

2) maps, no story, just-> go kill shit for no reason other than to kick ass.

Just what Hack'n'Slay is all about: just go and kill for the hope of the next lucky epic drop?

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Do_odle wrote:

Hitting lvl 100, in my opinion, isn't a hard to achieve goal.

Even on the easy side (standard), achieved by only 70 chars within the very long road since OB start... not hard? And, how many (or better: few) of these may have reached it without any help on their grinding, solo? Without using legacies, without abusing exploits? EASY??