[2.0] THOR'S RAINBOWNUKE: DO ALL MAPS, UBER ATZIRI, AND EXPLOSIONS!
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I'm not sure you'd want GMP + LMP would you? I notice quite often that my power charges get to 3, so wouldn't adding LMP just mean they go off more often for less damage? I think in the end it would be the same wouldn't it?
I think for solaris users, a 5L is ideal. Just add molten strike as the 5th gem and it makes playing a lot smoother.
The damage reduction from LMP/GMP does not apply to Arc/Discharge, which is the source of 99% of the DPS for this build, so combining them wouldn't do anything harmful to the DPS. It would be a bit silly with Lightning Strike and not all that useful, but it would be a slight buff to Molten Strike since you'd get even more projectiles flying around to proc Mjolner.
The more I think about it, though, the more I think that culling strike + iir/iiq would be the better 6L option in a Solaris.
Not for maps though, there's no way in hell I'd hit LS/MS to a 10% hp mob. I'd just really go with the curse on hit + ele weak for a 6link as a 20/20 ele weak is a lot better than lvl11 ele weak from meginord's. You could also change meginord's for either normal ES gloves, or use a +1 levels meginord's for better light/fire res. Or alternatively you can put enhance+RF+BR into +1 gloves for a lot of more DPS.
Unless I misread, he's running the OP's build but without Righteous Fire, which means his DPS should be low enough that he can cull bosses pretty easily with LS/MS. Regular mobs probably not.
I agree that curse on hit is better, but if he really doesn't want to use it, I think this would be a good second choice to experiment with.
The 352nd character to hit Level 100 in Standard
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Hello guys, Id like to ask one question. Played this build for a while, but the ES seems a bit low. Any ideas about how could this work withouth RF with:
High es shield +30str craft
ES gloves with str (crafted 50str and 150+es)
High es boost instead of rainbowstriders
Thats +9 passive nodes while I lose one with +20str.
I could use herald of ice instead of vitality I guess.
Meginords -100str-20str node=-120str. gloves +50 other craft +30=+80...I need to get 40str and I have 9 more nodes so I can take 2 +30 str and Im fine.
Other thing is that,if I change to es shield,gloves,boots, I have 8k es without nodes (87 lvl). With additional free passives,just a pure guess, I could get 10k es, with shav ring thats 400+ es regen +1% doryani leech and I could use Iron will gem.
Wouldnt that be better than using RF? Iron will gives a lot of dmg increase and the extra es would be a huge survival boost. Again, consider these numbers as Im low lvl now withouth real es nodes, so for higher lvls, that numbers would be different.
Any tips or info about dps increase/decrease etc or calculations are welcome. Not good in math myself.
Btw these are the items I would change, but I dont have the boost. Was borrowed. Would divine and craft the gloves and +30str master craft is available on the shield.
Last edited by nikeyla#0898 on Oct 9, 2014, 4:14:11 PM
Hello guys, Id like to ask one question. Played this build for a while, but the ES seems a bit low. Any ideas about how could this work withouth RF with:
High es shield +30str craft
ES gloves with str (crafted 50str and 150+es)
High es boost instead of rainbowstriders
Thats +9 passive nodes while I lose one with +20str.
I could use herald of ice instead of vitality I guess.
Meginords -100str-20str node=-120str. gloves +50 other craft +30=+80...I need to get 40str and I have 9 more nodes so I can take 2 +30 str and Im fine.
Other thing is that,if I change to es shield,gloves,boots, I have 8k es without nodes (87 lvl). With additional free passives,just a pure guess, I could get 10k es, with shav ring thats 400+ es regen +1% doryani leech and I could use Iron will gem.
Wouldnt that be better than using RF? Iron will gives a lot of dmg increase and the extra es would be a huge survival boost. Again, consider these numbers as Im low lvl now withouth real es nodes, so for higher lvls, that numbers would be different.
Any tips or info about dps increase/decrease etc or calculations are welcome. Not good in math myself.
Btw these are the items I would change, but I dont have the boost. Was borrowed. Would divine and craft the gloves and +30str master craft is available on the shield.
Yes, you can do this, and the build winds up a bit better. It's basically what I did. Check out my post on page 53 and then the updates on page 65-68. To get up to 10K ES, you'd probably have to invest more in ES passives and less in spell damage passives than I did but that's certainly a viable way to go if you prefer extra ES over extra DPS.
The 352nd character to hit Level 100 in Standard
The 82nd character to hit Delve 1000 in Standard
Last edited by tackle70#1293 on Oct 9, 2014, 5:17:24 PM
How do you attack? Seeing as you don't have any LGOH items and completely negate the LGOH on tree.
Dropped Zealot's Oath so vitality is giving me the life regen.
Just wanted to drop in to elaborate on Hizbas answer. I took tackle70's approach of not going RF and saw how I'd design a tree without RF with Hizbas being happy to collaborate and test on his character since I currently lack the gears.
We found, that sacrificing a ring slot for shavronne's revelation is worth it, since it allows us to drop the 10 points going to Lust for Carnage and Zealot's oath and there aren't many useful stats on rings in the first place. This way we also don't have to worry about taking life flasks with us and always hitting stuff with our attacks.
The DPS indeed is superior to the RF version (with lightning pen) and almost on par (with life leech), so I expect to update the OP with the new version of the build that we now have confirmed.
Of course special thanks go to tackle70 for realizing, that not using RF is now better with 1.2 and providing so much information about the whole thing. All the chaos resi gear for instance is a nice addition, but frankly, it was also possible with the original RF version of the build (I did use good rares when I was still playing it). :)
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Last edited by Tom94#4433 on Oct 11, 2014, 4:29:36 PM
How do you attack? Seeing as you don't have any LGOH items and completely negate the LGOH on tree.
Dropped Zealot's Oath so vitality is giving me the life regen.
Just wanted to drop in to elaborate on Hizbas answer. I took tackle70's approach of not going RF and saw how I'd design a tree without RF with Hizbas being happy to collaborate and test on his character since I currently lack the gears.
We found, that sacrificing a ring slot for shavronne's revelation is worth it, since it allows us to drop the 10 points going to Lust for Carnage and Zealot's oath and there aren't many useful stats on rings in the first place. This way we also don't have to worry about taking life flasks with us and always hitting stuff with our attacks.
The DPS indeed is superior to the RF version (with lightning pen) and almost on par (with life leech), so I expect to update the OP with the new version of the build that we now have confirmed.
Of course special thanks go to tackle70 for realizing, that not using RF is now better with 1.2 and providing so much information about the whole thing. All the chaos resi gear for instance is a nice addition, but frankly, it was also possible with the original RF version of the build (I did use good rares when I was still playing it). :)
Nice. What's your sense as to the difference between this (Blood Magic + Shavs Revelation) vs just running with Dream Fragments + mana? Can you still get enough stats (somewhat) easily, so that you can drop Meginord's Vise and use ES gloves? I am trying to figure out a way to save passive points with that switch with my gear but it doesn't seem like I have enough str/dex to do it.
The 352nd character to hit Level 100 in Standard
The 82nd character to hit Delve 1000 in Standard
Last edited by tackle70#1293 on Oct 11, 2014, 8:18:48 PM
Dropped Zealot's Oath so vitality is giving me the life regen.
Just wanted to drop in to elaborate on Hizbas answer. I took tackle70's approach of not going RF and saw how I'd design a tree without RF with Hizbas being happy to collaborate and test on his character since I currently lack the gears.
We found, that sacrificing a ring slot for shavronne's revelation is worth it, since it allows us to drop the 10 points going to Lust for Carnage and Zealot's oath and there aren't many useful stats on rings in the first place. This way we also don't have to worry about taking life flasks with us and always hitting stuff with our attacks.
The DPS indeed is superior to the RF version (with lightning pen) and almost on par (with life leech), so I expect to update the OP with the new version of the build that we now have confirmed.
Of course special thanks go to tackle70 for realizing, that not using RF is now better with 1.2 and providing so much information about the whole thing. All the chaos resi gear for instance is a nice addition, but frankly, it was also possible with the original RF version of the build (I did use good rares when I was still playing it). :)
Nice. What's your sense as to the difference between this (Blood Magic + Shavs Revelation) vs just running with Dream Fragments + mana? Can you still get enough stats (somewhat) easily, so that you can drop Meginord's Vise and use ES gloves? I am trying to figure out a way to save passive points with that switch with my gear but it doesn't seem like I have enough str/dex to do it.
An easy thing you can do is reroll witch, this way you won't need Dream frags for the mana regen as you get +40% on the first point in witch which is in this case wasted on the flat life of scion.
Last edited by Jyron#0232 on Oct 12, 2014, 1:37:30 AM
Are you sure you get more dps by going for blast radius, instead of taking the last ES node near arcane focus and connecting the tree there? You save 2 points which you can put into the witch spell dmg and elemental dominion. A 20% discharge is pretty insane radius already AFAIK. Really interesting build now that I understand how a shavs ring for ES regen + some actual life regen which allows to completely free up 11 points is much better for the overall build.
How did you come to use the lightning pen on mjölner now? Fire and Cold damage is still being done + using ele weakness on hit diminishes the usefulness of light pen.
