1.3 The Community's Molten Strike, Face Melting Build!! 1h+shield and 2h variants available

You're getting 20kdps out of a 4-link, with those gems, using a 300dps weapon? Curious how you're managing that.

My DPS went up big time but I lost about 150Hp. Not a huge deal and my survivability is pretty much the same. I run the 2H version of this build.

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Kartikdon wrote:

Though I am not running my MS character right now, the mana on kill/hit node closter by point blank has been extremely useful so far in the early levels on my archer. Might be looking into pushing into mana use to gain a gem slot.

Also look into Shadow start guys... Still tweaking my version but at the moment it is better then the other races.

I'm definitely interested to see it when you are done. I haven't quite been able to get Shadow to work well due to the extra distance necessary to get down to the Ranger area.

I've also been considering that cluster based on feedback from others. If it becomes necessary, it should be a relatively simple adjustment. Are you finding it works substantially better than, say, 2% mana leech from physical (assuming that's relevant to your bow build), or does it just save you the affix?



I was able to eke out quite a bit more damage on my Ranger build. Turns out ditching Iron Grip altogether in favor of the Bonebreaker cluster by Resolute Technique adds about 7.5% more damage.

https://poebuilder.com/character/AAAAAgIAr-ubjQBeGY7tgwgu037-un11G61I7niuPeK309fLo4pNkiP2VvruDhR1pMJ82XKprKpZ82aewBoaOKeEkFV35Vfi7DgyiQJxBLMUTfAftPmiAFFgT32AVn7i-tLjajbpFm8kqg4Uy0MZ6d7BNZK18ti96dUM914fr2zFiqmVPC3Grrc-_gqpbjIJcmxsRt0N_MUs6T8nKk0VIErIbqqkOdCBR-Ii4uIsCTPRNmwW_Esn7YcZxPaQCu98gzhKfYd2Z6BMYASxlWaexSE0YMS0L1Hm

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What would be best gems in BoR for max block AA build?

Probably what your running but at late game you will need fire penetration unless your dps is insane.

I decided to try out the ranger version of this build as I enjoy more of the attack speed.

I have a few questions on the build variant.

I noticed that you did not take Iron Reflexes or AOF.

Why would one not want to take AOF? It is one point away and from what I understand many people started switching to it.

Would I be running mostly evasion gear for the variant? Seeing as there is no Iron Reflexes I was not sure if I need to be looking for more armor on the gear.

I am having trouble deciding if I should switch back to Marauder for MS build or not. Since the drop in Three Dragons I have been going crazy trying to find the best variant for 1.2.

Thanks

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redmatrix wrote:

I decided to try out the ranger version of this build as I enjoy more of the attack speed.

I have a few questions on the build variant.

I noticed that you did not take Iron Reflexes or AOF.

Why would one not want to take AOF? It is one point away and from what I understand many people started switching to it.

Would I be running mostly evasion gear for the variant? Seeing as there is no Iron Reflexes I was not sure if I need to be looking for more armor on the gear.

I am having trouble deciding if I should switch back to Marauder for MS build or not. Since the drop in Three Dragons I have been going crazy trying to find the best variant for 1.2.

Thanks

I am assuming IR will be dropped at some point due to the evasion from Grace etc. eventually being preferable to stacking armor to ridiculous levels. I could be wrong about that as I haven't played the build at high levels, but I've seen that advice once you hit high gear levels. I'd definitely beeline toward IR early though.

Regarding AoF, I think it primarily depends on whether you have access to high-level Hatred or not. My calculations show it to be a big DPS increase if not and about a 3% DPS loss (at level 20 non-Generosity) if so. I'm guessing you would also have more issues with elemental reflect, but I expect that's manageable particularly with 1% lifeleech from fire damage available from master crafting. Either way, it's very easy to try it out and respec out if you don't want it since it's right on the path.

Not sure if I read that correctly.

I tried to look online before I asked and got a little confused.

Does having Hatred running decrease the damage you do when you have AOF on?

I thought having a higher level Hatred would increase the damage on AOF.

Sorry if that is a stupid question.

Also would the 1% fire lifeleach master stack with the 1% fire lifeleach on belt. Not sure if the master is the one for the belt as well. On wiki it says possible helm.

@Tanis -
you combine IR + Grace for very high armour. You will never drop this. If you took unwavering stance you would drop this when you are ready to run Tempest Shield + Blind (though its 25% less potent now but still amazing).

AoF is ONLY taken once you obtain your Doryani's Catalyst. Before then it will be a DPS loss. You can take AoF when you get Doryani's Invitation as well since it will significantly increase your LL from the belt and allow you to drop the LL gem to slot in more damage.

Reflect is a non issue assuming you maintain capped resists and run a PoF depending on the map and gear.

@redmatrix -
Though hatred does lose 50% damage from AoF, its pretty much equivalent to anger with AoF. Before AoF it is better. Hatred scales off of physical damage where Anger is a flat bonus. Eventually with a high phys. weapon anger wont be able to keep up. Assuming you are not running a catalyst.

The mods should stack for LL and would be choice for the build

@Kartikdon -

Thanks for the clarifications. I think the build I'm remembering the IR info from took a much larger number of armor nodes, so that may be the difference in that the build stacked armor so high it capped the damage reduction vs. everything except the biggest single boss hits even before Grace. I definitely bow to your superior knowledge on this build, however. :)

Also, do we know if Blind works with the burn-on-kill from Herald of Ash? If so, it might be interesting to do something like Reduced Mana + Blind + Herald of Ash + Tempest Shield (or Elemental Proliferation though I doubt we do enough overkill to justify it) to blind things even before you block an attack.



@redmatrix -

Kartikdon answered, but yeah, halving Hatred is what I was looking at. IE, if level 20 Hatred is affecting you, you'll deal slightly more damage without AoF than with it assuming Doryani's Catalyst (which I've been using for my damage comparisons). The more I think about it though, the damage difference is small enough that it's probably worth running regardless since, as Kartikdon points out, there's always Anger (and Herald of Ash to a lesser extent).



Adding IR and AoF makes my Ranger look like this at 109 points:

https://poebuilder.com/character/AAAAAgIAr-ubjQBeGY7tgwgu037-un11G61I7niuPeK309fLo4pNkiP2VvruDhR1pMJ82XKprKpZ82aewBoaOKeEkFV35Vfi7DgyiQJxBLMUTfAftPmiAFFgT32AVn7i-tLjajbpFm8kqg4Uy0MZ6d7BNZK18ti96dUM914fr2zFiqmVPC3Grrc-_gqpbjIJcmxsRt0N_MUs6T8nKk0VIErIbqqkOdCBR-Ii4uIsCTPRNmwW_Esn7YcZxPaQCu98gzhKfYd2Z6CexSE0YMS0L1Hmr41brymlTiqVZkxgBLE=

Sorry, if this question was asked already..

How MS build work with Herald of Ash? Isnt Herald of ash is better than Hatred, with AOF?
If Hatred damage is halved then its +18% and Herald of Ash is 15% plus its igniting on kill. And we have passive with +Fire damage so it becomes even more than +15%

Which weapon is better for MS build, pure physical or half physical half elemental, for example? Damage would be same or not?