Garena is adding skill tree resets as a micro transaction in 1.1.3. Thoughts?

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Spysong192 wrote:

The definition of an entitled adult

The definition of someone who hasn't yet arrived in real-life.

Also, someone who makes a page-long fullquote just to add one line. ;)



Oh, so that's how it works? I edit my post to point out the failures of yours, and then you go edit your post? Fine!

Someone who uses the redundant constuct "self entitled" (which is also wrong btw - go check Merriam-Webster, you won't find that term in there).

Someone who makes a jab at me personally, instead of actually dealing with the argument.

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Baelturath wrote:

Exalted orbs directly increase an item's power. Chaos orbs don't.

Selling Exalted orbs allows an item to get more life than before. Selling Chaos orbs doesn't.

Selling Exalted orbs allows an item to get more/higher defenses than before. Selling Chaos orbs doesn't.

Selling Exalted orbs allows an item to get higher damage output than before. Selling Chaos orbs doesn't.

Selling Exalted orbs allows an item to be much more flexible than before. Selling Chaos orbs doesn't.

Your comparison is bad, and you should feel bad. Please try again with a real argument.

Selling Chaos orbs is good for Garena and is not P2W. End of story

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VaultzInex wrote:

Exalted orbs directly increase an item's power. Chaos orbs don't.

Selling Exalted orbs allows an item to get more life than before. Selling Chaos orbs doesn't.

Selling Exalted orbs allows an item to get more/higher defenses than before. Selling Chaos orbs doesn't.

Selling Exalted orbs allows an item to get higher damage output than before. Selling Chaos orbs doesn't.

Selling Exalted orbs allows an item to be much more flexible than before. Selling Chaos orbs doesn't.

Selling Exalted orbs is good for Garena and is not P2W. End of story

You also seem to fail at quoting. I took the liberty to fix it for you. Please stop putting words in my mouth, thank you very much. :)

Also: your comparison is bad, and you should feel bad. Please try again with a real argument. It would only work that way if Chaos orbs were guaranteed to never create good items. But they aren't. Chaos orbs (and even Alchs for that matter) can and do create really good items. So you're also comparing apples and smartphone cases.

Funny, you also seem to be unable to make a convincing argument about how respec points directly increase a character's power, so you resort to nonsensical comparisons and red herrings.

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Baelturath wrote:

It would only work that way if Chaos orbs were guaranteed to never create good items. But they aren't.

So.. respec a bad a build to a different one does not grant the ability to rise your character's attributes? (DEX/STR/INT/LIFE/ES/KEYSTONES..MAX ELE RES..)

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Baelturath wrote:

Chaos orbs (and even Alchs for that matter) can and do create really good items

Respec allows you to create really good builds.
Do you see?

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Baelturath wrote:

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Spysong192 wrote:

The definition of an entitled adult

The definition of someone who hasn't yet arrived in real-life.

Do you have a degree in psychology that you can assume i´m not arrived in real life yet with just one sentence? Wow. Or you use some dark magic? You don´t know me so what´s the deal?

And i don´t need to check anything out, it´s not my native language but you still understand what i mean with that "construct". That was all that matters but thanks for letting me know where i can train my barbaric tounge.

And what argument? You think you´re entitled to buy virtual goods because you lack real life time to aquire such goods in the virtual world. Then you´re arguing you´re now self-entitled to do something against the rules because of this situation.

Money doesn´t justify everything. Now you can say i´m not arrived in the real life because money justifies everything in your opinion right?

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VaultzInex wrote:

So.. respec a bad a build to a different one does not grant the ability to rise your character's attributes? (DEX/STR/INT/LIFE/ES/KEYSTONES..MAX ELE RES..)

I never argued against that. However, if you're so mortally opposed to that idea, shouldn't GGG not grant any full respecs either in the future when the passive tree changes? After all, it's really easy to roll a new character. You even get to use the same gear. So why bother with respecs?

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VaultzInex wrote:

Respec allows you to create really good builds.
Do you see?

Passive point allocation and respecs are deterministic. Item stats are pseudo-random. You can control one directly yourself, but not the other. Now guess why selling the ability to change one is good, and the ability to change the other is bad.

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Spysong192 wrote:

Do you have a degree in psychology that you can assume i´m not arrived in real life yet with just one sentence? Wow. Or you use some dark magic? You don´t know me so what´s the deal?

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And what argument? You think you´re entitled to buy virtual goods because you lack real life time to aquire such goods in the virtual world. Then you´re arguing you´re now self-entitled to do something against the rules because of this situation.

Money doesn´t justify everything. Now you can say i´m not arrived in the real life because money justifies everything in your opinion right?

So what makes you think I'm "self entitled"? Again, you're putting words in my mouth which I've never said. Do you use some dark magic to infer those statements? You should really take a very close look in the mirror here. Anyway, where did I say that I wanted that? Where did I say that "money justifies everything"?

Is it because I'm not mindlessly jumping aboard the hatetrain? Is it because I can see the reason behind that decision, and don't arrive at any conspiracy theories? Is it because I do realize that the gaming industry isn't some happy fancy candy land, but has to face the harsh realities of the business world? Is it because I'm aware of the fact that no game is able to sustain itself on the core audience alone? Is it because I don't mind GGG changing certain things to be successful in other markets? Is it because I find the idea utterly ridiculous that GGG should maintain that harderstcore-at-all-costs course for PoE, even if it spells doom in other markets? Is it because I'm aware that this change DOESN'T AFFECT THE PRIMARY SERVERS AT ALL?

Pray tell me!

Since you and lots of others apparently fail to see and accept those realities, yes, I'm certain that you haven't arrived in real-life yet. At least not in the business world. And then there's this big surprise waiting for you. Money is the only reason this game can exist. Money is the only reason why GGG is able to create new content for it. Money is the only reason you can play on the game's servers.

Also, you're using pretty big words for someone who apparently has limited understanding of the English language - otherwise you'd have been aware that I was not talking from my personal point of view but rather a general perspective. But thanks anyway for that ad hominem.

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Baelturath wrote:

Anyway, where did I say that I wanted that? Where did I say that "money justifies everything"?

Oh you don´t. It was a question i was curious about. You just built a theoretical construct and justified it. To this construct i gave a comment and now you´re very touchy about this and attack me.
I´m just not sure if that construct is your opinion or if you´re playing advocatus diaboli.

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Baelturath wrote:

Is it because I'm not mindlessly jumping aboard the hatetrain? Is it because I can see the reason behind that decision, and don't arrive at any conspiracy theories? Is it because I do realize that the gaming industry isn't some happy fancy candy land, but has to face the harsh realities of the business world? Is it because I'm aware of the fact that no game is able to sustain itself on the core audience alone? Is it because I don't mind GGG changing certain things to be successful in other markets? Is it because I find the idea utterly ridiculous that GGG should maintain that harderstcore-at-all-costs course for PoE, even if it spells doom in other markets? Is it because I'm aware that this change DOESN'T AFFECT THE PRIMARY SERVERS AT ALL?

Pray tell me!

Since you and lots of others apparently fail to see and accept those realities, yes, I'm certain that you haven't arrived in real-life yet. At least not in the business world. And then there's this big surprise waiting for you. Money is the only reason this game can exist. Money is the only reason why GGG is able to create new content for it. Money is the only reason you can play on the game's servers.

This is all yada yada nice and dandy but i was clearly and obviously speaking about the player´s side not about the gaming industry. Care to distinguish between those two sides. I know from an industry perspective the sentence: The end justifies the means, is very popular so nothing new to see here.

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Baelturath wrote:

Also, you're using pretty big words for someone who apparently has limited understanding of the English language - otherwise you'd have been aware that I was not talking from my personal point of view but rather a general perspective. But thanks anyway for that ad hominem.

Why you still attack my language and than talk about i would make a ad hominem attack against you? And i´m still unsure if that reflects your opinion.

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SilentOppressor wrote:

If respecs weren't otherwise possible would it be pay to win or pay to convenience?

if respecs weren't possible otherwise, a paid full respec would be pay to win as much as stash tabs are. some would call it pay2convenience but there is not much difference between p2w and p2c as both basically just shorten the playtime needed to reach a certain goal.

and if garena sells respec points for money it's the same as offering 120 regret orbs in the shop => pay2win.

Not game breaking. Even D2 eventually broke down and added this to the game. Don't use it. How much are they asking for it, anyway?

i think this is good idea,selling Tree reset is good for people who messed up their build and don't have much time to level up new characters plus GGG can make extra money from it.