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Worldbreaker wrote:
Here is a list of things that must happen to even remotely make this SFL idea close to reality.
1. No Grouping
a: Removes all RMT when combined with no trading. (Aside from account sales, which are easiest for GGG to trace)
b: Prevents the ladder from being dominated by well formed groups.
c: Prevents support characters (Aura whores/Cullers) getting free high level map rides. (On top of RMT possibility)
2. No Trading (obviously)
3. Accounts limited to 4 stash tabs and 24 characters in the SFL.
a: League becomes P2W if you can't mule (read Trade).
b: Extra characters provide more storage.
4. No Guild Stash
5. Removal of magic find entirely
a: Prevents certain builds from dominating the ladder being able to stack tons of MF.
6. Hardcore and Softcore SFL's
a: Only fair.
7. Fee/donation for playing in the league.
a: With the removal of any reason to have an MTX, a fee MUST happen to sustain it.
8: More Vendor Recipes to convert currency (now crafting materials) up and down.
All of the above must happen. Drop rate increases are arguable, however welcome, still arguable or not required. Not sure if there are more things that would be required. Group play would 100% have to go, the keyword here is "Self" in Self Found League, having a culler or buddy slay a monster and you get drops and saying you "Self Found" it sounds ridiculous.
I would play this, at least competition would be as fair as it could possibly be!
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dude the no grouping goes against the self found league spirit, what you want is nuts go play ofline games on your nintendo or playstation, why would someone play an online game by themselves, what would be the point
No Grouping goes perfectly with SFL, and I would play PoE offline if it were possible. Also about 1/2 the races are solo (no parties).
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Posted byWorldbreaker#6569on Apr 30, 2014, 1:43:50 AMAlpha Member
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''Here is a list of things that must happen to even remotely make this SFL idea close to reality.''
1. No Grouping
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You shamelessly troll. I won't take the bait like that other guy did.
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xxSerpentlordxx wrote:
''Here is a list of things that must happen to even remotely make this SFL idea close to reality.''
1. No Grouping
You shamelessly troll. I won't take the bait like that other guy did.
Not a troll, I want to find items and craft items my "self". You can post a Group Self Found League thread if you wish. I am not going to be outplayed by premade groups or be begging for a culler.
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Posted byWorldbreaker#6569on Apr 30, 2014, 1:54:32 AMAlpha Member
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Worldbreaker wrote:
No Grouping goes perfectly with SFL, and I would play PoE offline if it were possible. Also about 1/2 the races are solo (no parties).
agree with most of what you suggested, but isn't no group a bit too extreme? maybe raise the difficulty in party? but to be honest party does give lots of advantages.
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Posted byTom1989#3616on Apr 30, 2014, 1:57:26 AM
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Worldbreaker wrote:
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xxSerpentlordxx wrote:
''Here is a list of things that must happen to even remotely make this SFL idea close to reality.''
1. No Grouping
You shamelessly troll. I won't take the bait like that other guy did.
Not a troll, I want to find items and craft items my "self". You can post a Group Self Found League thread if you wish. I am not going to be outplayed by premade groups or be begging for a culler.
That's called Singleplayer/ mode. They ought to provide that as well which is another topic that should be addressed.
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Tom1989 wrote:
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Worldbreaker wrote:
No Grouping goes perfectly with SFL, and I would play PoE offline if it were possible. Also about 1/2 the races are solo (no parties).
agree with most of what you suggested, but isn't no group a bit too extreme? maybe raise the difficulty in party? but to be honest party does give lots of advantages.
What sense does finding items yourself from monsters/chests/breakables other people kill? If they remove magic find cullers won't be an issue, then you still have auras and multi-boxing.
I honestly thought there was no partying proposed already...
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xxSerpentlordxx wrote:
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Worldbreaker wrote:
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xxSerpentlordxx wrote:
''Here is a list of things that must happen to even remotely make this SFL idea close to reality.''
1. No Grouping
You shamelessly troll. I won't take the bait like that other guy did.
Not a troll, I want to find items and craft items my "self". You can post a Group Self Found League thread if you wish. I am not going to be outplayed by premade groups or be begging for a culler.
That's called Singleplayer/ mode. They ought to provide that as well which is another topic that should be addressed.
What the hell is SFL then? Just no-trade league? Why the hell not just call it that then? SFL as a title is misleading.
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Posted byWorldbreaker#6569on Apr 30, 2014, 2:03:08 AMAlpha Member
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Worldbreaker wrote:
What the hell is SFL then? Just no-trade league? Why the hell not just call it that then? SFL as a title is misleading.
Oh no. That wouldn't work at all. That would be like calling the Republican Party the Capitalist Party, or the Affordable Care Act the Mandatory Health Insurance Act (even Obamacare is much nicer). With that level of honesty, support evaporates. That's why the first step in creating a successful political movement is to find the appropriate means to euphemize your position.
When Stephen Colbert was killed by HYDRA's Project Insight in 2014, the comedy world lost a hero. Since his life model decoy isn't up to the task, please do not mistake my performance as political discussion. I'm just doing what Steve would have wanted. Last edited by ScrotieMcB#2697 on Apr 30, 2014, 2:15:15 AM
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Posted byScrotieMcB#2697on Apr 30, 2014, 2:08:36 AM
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Worldbreaker wrote:
What the hell is SFL then? Just no-trade league? Why the hell not just call it that then? SFL as a title is misleading.
With SFL it's a bit like the People's Front of Judea, the Judean Popular People's Front, and the Popular Front of Judea.
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Posted byJojas#5551on Apr 30, 2014, 2:13:19 AM
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ScrotieMcB wrote:
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Worldbreaker wrote:
What the hell is SFL then? Just no-trade league? Why the hell not just call it that then? SFL as a title is misleading.
Oh no. That wouldn't work at all. That would be like calling the Republican Party the Capitalist Party, or the Affordable Care Act the Mandatory Health Insurance Act. With that level of honesty, support evaporates.
What I proposed was just to at least get some form of solidarity on the idea of a true SFL. What I proposed removes all forms of advantage (other than luck). Now it just feels like people want to stomp a league with their friends. If you just need trade removed then play the current leagues and don't trade. They aren't going to remove trade and buff drops just so you can stomp content with your buddies in a SELF FOUND league. Seriously...
I want to compete as a solo player on fair terms, which was the single reason I had supported this remotely. Being able to battle my finds and crafts against other self finders on a ladder.
I truly hope your the only one who feels that way xserpant.
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Posted byWorldbreaker#6569on Apr 30, 2014, 2:16:50 AMAlpha Member
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benkeia wrote:
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Worldbreaker wrote:
Here is a list of things that must happen to even remotely make this SFL idea close to reality.
1. No Grouping
a: Removes all RMT when combined with no trading. (Aside from account sales, which are easiest for GGG to trace)
b: Prevents the ladder from being dominated by well formed groups.
c: Prevents support characters (Aura whores/Cullers) getting free high level map rides. (On top of RMT possibility)
2. No Trading (obviously)
3. Accounts limited to 4 stash tabs and 24 characters in the SFL.
a: League becomes P2W if you can't mule (read Trade).
b: Extra characters provide more storage.
4. No Guild Stash
5. Removal of magic find entirely
a: Prevents certain builds from dominating the ladder being able to stack tons of MF.
6. Hardcore and Softcore SFL's
a: Only fair.
7. Fee/donation for playing in the league.
a: With the removal of any reason to have an MTX, a fee MUST happen to sustain it.
8: More Vendor Recipes to convert currency (now crafting materials) up and down.
All of the above must happen. Drop rate increases are arguable, however welcome, still arguable or not required. Not sure if there are more things that would be required. Group play would 100% have to go, the keyword here is "Self" in Self Found League, having a culler or buddy slay a monster and you get drops and saying you "Self Found" it sounds ridiculous.
I would play this, at least competition would be as fair as it could possibly be!
:D
dude the no grouping goes against the self found league spirit, what you want is nuts go play ofline games on your nintendo or playstation, why would someone play an online game by themselves, what would be the point
Unless safeguards in the form of extra coding for party member min/max level limit requirements and area party level min/max limit requirements and extra coding for fully instanced loot destroyed on a time basis and/ or character log out (others NEVER see it),then grouping will be exploited to its full potential of trivializing the self found experience.
The meta would be nothing but lifting,trading boss kills for boss kills and boosting.None of which promote a self found ideology.Nothing that character finds will be off its own back and anything it finds in the future will not be self found,but off the backs of others characters,that may or may not have been lifted,boosted and given free progression in a similar fashion.
Without the above extra coding for parties or the league being solo the league would have very little to do with being *self found*.
So for a self found league to be legit it would have to be solo self found because GGG will not mess with coding for that.
=)
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