Puncture vs Frenzy

So, I understand you might be able to utilize both skills, but if you had to choose one, which is better, Puncture or Frenzy? Ideally you would Frenzy and then Puncture, perhaps, but again, if you had to pick, which one would you focus on?
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Talgrath wrote:
So, I understand you might be able to utilize both skills, but if you had to choose one, which is better, Puncture or Frenzy? Ideally you would Frenzy and then Puncture, perhaps, but again, if you had to pick, which one would you focus on?


whats your focus, a secondary single target attack?
frenzy is very mana hungry and doesn't make a great primary attack. puncture is amazing but really shines only if you have crit chance/lots of crit dmg.

puncture is always a great addition even without any supported sockets just for added DPS. frenzy is always a great secondary attack in order to link with life leech/mana leech so you can get single target deeps as well as life/mana leech to sustain your main attack
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JunKx wrote:


whats your focus, a secondary single target attack?
frenzy is very mana hungry and doesn't make a great primary attack. puncture is amazing but really shines only if you have crit chance/lots of crit dmg.

puncture is always a great addition even without any supported sockets just for added DPS. frenzy is always a great secondary attack in order to link with life leech/mana leech so you can get single target deeps as well as life/mana leech to sustain your main attack


I don't know that crit is needed in a greater amount with puncture vs. other bow skills, but I will tell you that puncture is a good boss killer especially if you kite after shooting them (making them move causes 100% + more damage).

If you want to pursue frenzy then you should grab a pair of



as most frenzy builds will include them.

well crit isn't needed for puncture but the bleed effect is based upon the initial damage, so crit damage will significantly raise the bleed damage

the blood dance boots are great but more useful if you use frenzy charges without using the frenzy skill. another great pair of boots for frenzy are darkray vectors especially if you are using frenzy as the attack and thus don't need to worry about losing charges

Frenzy is my main skill, and it's working out great. However, you can FORGET about EVER using it with Mana Leech + Acrobatics. It's either EB + Leech, or Blood Magic + Acrobatics.

That said, I'm beginning to feel that unless you're using a Soul Taker, you should be using Reave or Double Strike.

If you do insist on using Frenzy, be sure to have something like:


If you're BM, you auras are:
Hatred/Grace/Tempest Shield

If Leech, use:
Hatred/Grace/Clarity
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yup frenzy is VERY mana intensive - like super super mana crazy.
my frenzy cast ranges from 108-124 depending on my sockets, per cast. and with nearly 7 casts per second (6.8) that is a lot of damn mana in one second, 730-840. there is NO way you're leeching that back. but of course it all depends on your attack speed.
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JunKx wrote:
yup frenzy is VERY mana intensive - like super super mana crazy.
my frenzy cast ranges from 108-124 depending on my sockets, per cast. and with nearly 7 casts per second (6.8) that is a lot of damn mana in one second, 730-840. there is NO way you're leeching that back. but of course it all depends on your attack speed.


Actually, it IS possible. I pay over 100 per "cast", but since that's with Multistrike, that's only once per 3 attacks. My Attacks per Second are 10, and with Mana Leech and enough Max Mana, I can Leech that much easily - problem is GETTING that much Max Mana. Running Clarity lowers the amount you need to leech.

My mana cost per second is about 250, and that's sustainable, if not free.

As I said, Acrobatics is more or less out of the question due to this cost (unless you use Blood Magic or a Soul Taker :D), but it is possible.
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CantripN wrote:
Frenzy is my main skill, and it's working out great. However, you can FORGET about EVER using it with Mana Leech + Acrobatics. It's either EB + Leech, or Blood Magic + Acrobatics.

That said, I'm beginning to feel that unless you're using a Soul Taker, you should be using Reave or Double Strike.

If you do insist on using Frenzy, be sure to have something like:


If you're BM, you auras are:
Hatred/Grace/Tempest Shield

If Leech, use:
Hatred/Grace/Clarity
I do it with 2 ml from mind drinker on a 5L frenzy. You just need to have a sufficient mana pool, more than 600, and good mana regen, 115% + lvl 6 clarity on life in my case.
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CantripN wrote:
Actually, it IS possible. I pay over 100 per "cast", but since that's with Multistrike, that's only once per 3 attacks. My Attacks per Second are 10, and with Mana Leech and enough Max Mana, I can Leech that much easily - problem is GETTING that much Max Mana. Running Clarity lowers the amount you need to leech.

My mana cost per second is about 250, and that's sustainable, if not free.

As I said, Acrobatics is more or less out of the question due to this cost (unless you use Blood Magic or a Soul Taker :D), but it is possible.


im sure it is possible. like i said it depends on your attack speed. more specifically your casts per second. 250 per sec definitely is possible but again, 750-850 is not for anybody ever. thats soul taker town.

yes what sucks is having to give up acrobatics since that is SOOOO strong right now
Puncture = boss killer of doom.

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