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1988288 wrote:
People are accusing HvC of RMTing, because his gear "IS" worth 100 exalts. Anyone with a bit of intellectual integrity would see through this obnoxious fallacy.


The value in exalted orbs is not relevant. His history, the history of his group, his past deeds, the very fact that he and his group have the items they have two weeks into the league, those are what's relevant.

Where did the items, the fragments, and the orbs come from? Have you seen what kind of gear people had after the 1-week solo race? That's the reference.

Making it about the question whether the items are worth x or x*2 or x*3 is a rather transparent attempt at derailing. The value in FG or plain dollars would be more relevant, but we can't discuss this here, or post the numbers.
Last edited by Mivo on Mar 24, 2014, 7:12:27 PM
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allbusiness wrote:
Still more then 25 that you were talking about. 50+ exalts is really pushing it that early in a ladder, especially for one single character. I don't think anyone is rocking 50+ exalts worth of gear on their character, even those that so happen to be running a 6L Voltaxic Rift probably aren't.

I already accepted and corrected my mistake about 25 exalts - rushed a bit. No need to try and sting.

Your dishonesty was my only problem, hopefully you won't do that in future. I'm not here to argue if he did RMT or not. Stay safe and feel free to keep the last word.

@Mivo, I'm not here for that argument, as it's only speculation and nothing more. You have no data to judge from.
"I accept Nujabes as my Savior."
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1988288 wrote:
@Mivo, I'm not here for that argument, as it's only speculation and nothing more. You have no data to judge from.


Of course we have data related to FG and dollars. It's not like most of it isn't publicly available. This data cannot be posted or discussed here, but that does not make it non-existent. Since you seem so concerned with the intellectual capacity of others, it surprises me that you rule out the most logical and most likely explanations in favor of unlikely, painfully constructed scenarios that go against everyone's first hand experiences and observations.

To me, that is not an intelligent approach. It's tedious apologetics.
Once you have any proof - feel free to share with others. I'm not interested in wasting time with empty-talk.
And no, I haven't denied the possibility of RMTing. I recall HvC having pretty crazy gear in Onslaught beginning as well, and he was streaming all the time. He haven't had problems with making good amount of currency early on, so I don't see anything too out of usual here.

Everyone's firsthand experience is very, very poor argument, as HvC is not your average PoE player who just knows how to type in forum about their currency issues.

But yeah, feel free to jack these speculations.
"I accept Nujabes as my Savior."
Last edited by 1988288 on Mar 24, 2014, 7:42:59 PM
I think some of us are probably hoping / waiting for GGG to weigh in on this situation...








.....and, most likely, will still be waiting for a long time to come.



-TL
Last edited by TheLurker on Mar 24, 2014, 8:02:42 PM
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1988288 wrote:
He haven't had problems with making good amount of currency early on, so I don't see anything too out of usual here.


He doesn't have any issues making a good amount of currency now, either. 20 exalted orbs per kill is pretty good RoI. We are discussing how he ended up with nearly the best gear within a very short period of time. And not just him, but also his group. There isn't any evidence whatsoever that he obtained these items by trading with lots of other people.

You can believe that he is so much more lucky than everyone else, and you can also ignore his history and pretend it doesn't exist, but most people are a little less oblivious to the obvious. Sometimes, the most likely explanation is in fact the actual explanation.

For the record, my issue isn't what he does or doesn't do. It's not about him to me, and throughout most of this thread I avoided to even talk about him directly. He showed sufficiently what kind of player is when he quietly exploited the CoD/BM bug, no more was needed. I also don't blame him for selling kills. My issue is that GGG allows this, all of this, and rewards it. To me, this is wrong.

That's all. I responded to your apologetic noise only because it was so full of duh.
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Mivo wrote:
I responded to your apologetic noise only because it was so full of duh.

Not everyone is interested, or have good idea about rumors that crawl through forum/community. I'd suggest then posting some evidence to the "obvious" so there are no possible evasions from other side.

I prefer taking the safe path and not falling for what other people are implying, rumoring without anything that can be put as a undeniable evidence.

And I guess that is all, going back to Rurouni Kenshin.

"I accept Nujabes as my Savior."
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1988288 wrote:
Once you have any proof - feel free to share with others. I'm not interested in wasting time with empty-talk.
And no, I haven't denied the possibility of RMTing. I recall HvC having pretty crazy gear in Onslaught beginning as well, and he was streaming all the time. He haven't had problems with making good amount of currency early on, so I don't see anything too out of usual here.

Everyone's firsthand experience is very, very poor argument, as HvC is not your average PoE player who just knows how to type in forum about their currency issues.

But yeah, feel free to jack these speculations.



He didn't have 50+ exalts worth of gear which is kind of the point. When he was streaming all the time he didn't have anywhere near the same amount of gear. His gear was comparable to other top level players.


Currently HvC is probably one of the most geared, if not the most geared player on the server. The only way he could possibly upgrade is if he went BiS on certain slots, which is far more expensive than necessary.


Regardless or not, the fact that he associates with a certain group of players is enough to speculate, especially considering it was a well known fact that HvC discovered the cast on death Spectres bug and never revealed it to anyone until he was level 100.
Last edited by allbusiness on Mar 24, 2014, 8:30:31 PM
*Sigh*
I was really hoping that at least one of the new leagues would be solo + prohibited trading.
I don't know how many more times I will be saying this but, maybe next time, right?
P2W FTW!

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