Shadow - [ 2.0 ] Vaal Pact Dual Claw Build Level 92 ( Atziri Viable + BOTW S: 2 EP: 9 ) - Forum

" puaiohi wrote: Thanks for this guide. I followed it for my first Torment character and reached level 85 with it today. Died a bunch of times early on mainly to rushing my way through to endgame and not really caring about it, though at the point now, of course, where dying is a pain if you want to continue to level. My only real tweak to your Butcher build is taking the Quickstep cluster instead of going to Aspect of the Panther. I will probably take the Celerity cluster next and, then, if still wanting go further the Panther node. I really like move speed :) I do wish there was more crit multi close by to grab (Throatseeker doesn't seem worth it). However, not sure if I'm going to go too much farther with this build, getting the itch to start a second Torment char ;) My current DPS with the below gear is 31.8K with Herald of Ash and Hatred and 20.5K without either. This is with only a 5L and no quality gems. I did get lucky with a couple good deals on claws (30c+5 regret for a ~280 pDPS one and 12c on a 260 pDPS one). The darn body armor cost me 30c just for the base and I had bad luck linking it (over 200 fuse for the 5L). Otherwise, pretty cheap set up. My only issue is I tend to run out of mana on occasion after re-speccing out of Mind Drinker node in conjunction with increasing my attacks per second. I might re-spec into it or mebbe even try for slower claws. If getting the colors wouldn't be a pain, I'd swap faster attacks gem with increased crit damage. Spoiler If you are having mana issues I will run a low level clarity gem instead of 'Herald of Ashes '. You can also spec a couple of points near the start of shadow for majar mana boast. If things get really desperate swap out your hatred for a high level clarity and that should help :)	Posted by ninedeadeyes#2466 on Dec 25, 2014, 7:00:53 PM Quote this Post
" ninedeadeyes wrote: Interesting take on the build :) I'm going to say you will get less defence with your version since you don't have the hp bonus from passive tree and since you are not using carcass jack or taking the area of effect nodes near the priest, your penalty of damage for melee splash is going to be very high whilst mine I actually get +4% damage to AOE with the two thing combined whilst you will need to -16% to your dps stat to find out your true AOE dps. True. What bugs me, too, is the use of auras. I can easily maintain Hatred + Herald of Ashes AND Herald of Thunder for example. I have no trouble with mana thanks to Soul Raker passive. Is this just me? Im just curious^^	Posted by recsiem#7093 on Dec 26, 2014, 5:14:56 AM Quote this Post
" recsiem wrote: " ninedeadeyes wrote: Interesting take on the build :) I'm going to say you will get less defence with your version since you don't have the hp bonus from passive tree and since you are not using carcass jack or taking the area of effect nodes near the priest, your penalty of damage for melee splash is going to be very high whilst mine I actually get +4% damage to AOE with the two thing combined whilst you will need to -16% to your dps stat to find out your true AOE dps. True. What bugs me, too, is the use of auras. I can easily maintain Hatred + Herald of Ashes AND Herald of Thunder for example. I have no trouble with mana thanks to Soul Raker passive. Is this just me? Im just curious^^ I can actually run a herald of ice with my ashes and Hatred but I do find that I 'run out of mana' once in a blue moon and I did not like that, I prefer having a massive reserve mana where there is no chance of running out of mana. You get to a point where the extra dps doesn't really matter too much. I think 30k+ dps ( AOE ) is enough to clear most level 77 and 78 pretty quick. I remember in 1.2 where I pushed my dps to 82k dps (AOE) and to be honest it was only slightly faster for clearing and reflect damage did alot of damage to me. Last edited by ninedeadeyes#2466 on Dec 26, 2014, 5:29:00 AM	Posted by ninedeadeyes#2466 on Dec 26, 2014, 5:26:15 AM Quote this Post
" ( I would start a new Shadow just to pick up Dual Strike from 1st quest so you have both Reave and Dual Strike ) Single Target : Double Strike AOE: Fire Trap and Reave Escape : Whirling Blade Should we be using Dual Strike or Double Strike for single target?	Posted by JohnJSal#1233 on Dec 27, 2014, 2:39:25 AM Quote this Post
What level should we get all of our skills to? I'm never sure if I'm going too far with them and making them harder to use with mana costs, etc. Thanks.	Posted by JohnJSal#1233 on Dec 27, 2014, 2:53:43 AM Quote this Post
" ninedeadeyes wrote: If you are having mana issues I will run a low level clarity gem instead of 'Herald of Ashes '. You can also spec a couple of points near the start of shadow for majar mana boast. If things get really desperate swap out your hatred for a high level clarity and that should help :) I did some switching around of gear, and getting an amulet with some flat +mana and a tiny bit of mana regen seems to have fixed my problem. I'm now up to 36.6K tooltip DPS and still only on a 5L with no quality gems. I am thinking of just going for more life/evasion/move speed on the tree at this point even though I'm playing in Torment, i.e. SC. I can still get more DPS if I upgrade a claw and/or eventually get the 6L. Like you were saying in your previous posts, DPS beyond ~30k probably won't help clear speed much. Move speed though makes a big difference. I do wish I had my claw in Standard league to use on this char. I paid a fortune for it back in the Domination league for a Frenzy Claw/Shield character. Spoiler	Posted by puaiohi#6483 on Dec 27, 2014, 3:11:06 AM Quote this Post
" JohnJSal wrote: Should we be using Dual Strike or Double Strike for single target? You really shouldn't need a separate skill for single target with this build. His suggestions are just for leveling. I found leveling my char with Molten Strike to be easier than using Dual Strike and I really didn't need separate single-target/AOE skills at all even while leveling. Reave or Static Strike probably would work just as well. I switched to Dual Strike once I took Vaal Pact, somewhere in the 60s. Also, you shouldn't have to worry about leveling your skill gems for this build. Any mana issues you might encounter should be easily fixable via tree or gear. You may need to rely some on mana pots while leveling though. Shouldn't be a big deal. Last edited by puaiohi#6483 on Dec 27, 2014, 3:23:25 AM	Posted by puaiohi#6483 on Dec 27, 2014, 3:21:43 AM Quote this Post
" ninedeadeyes wrote: I can actually run a herald of ice with my ashes and Hatred but I do find that I 'run out of mana' once in a blue moon and I did not like that, I prefer having a massive reserve mana where there is no chance of running out of mana. You get to a point where the extra dps doesn't really matter too much. I think 30k+ dps ( AOE ) is enough to clear most level 77 and 78 pretty quick. I remember in 1.2 where I pushed my dps to 82k dps (AOE) and to be honest it was only slightly faster for clearing and reflect damage did alot of damage to me. I run Herald of Thunder not for dps reasons, but to pull monsters and to crash pots and stuff. So mainly an issue of convenience.	Posted by recsiem#7093 on Dec 27, 2014, 4:22:33 AM Quote this Post
" JohnJSal wrote: " ( I would start a new Shadow just to pick up Dual Strike from 1st quest so you have both Reave and Dual Strike ) Single Target : Double Strike AOE: Fire Trap and Reave Escape : Whirling Blade Should we be using Dual Strike or Double Strike for single target? I recommend using double strike and reave until you get melee splash in Act 2 Norm but if you slot your dual strike from the beginning when you do change it won't be under levelled. I guess you can just go dual strike for single attack and Reave for AOE.	Posted by ninedeadeyes#2466 on Dec 30, 2014, 8:16:58 AM Quote this Post
I'm lvl 68 at the moment and loving the build and playstyle. I would like to get some feedback on my current gear and skills. I know I need a lot of improvements but let me know what I should prioritize, any suggestions are appreciated. I have quite low dps and survivability. Stats: Dual Strike dps: 9,460 With Auras: 14,105 Hp: 2,948 Evasion: 1,895 Resistance Fire: max Cold: max Lightning: 30% Chaos: -60% Also have a look at my skill tree if you can: http://www.pathofexile.com/passive-skill-tree/AAAAAgYAAdwFtRX9Fr8ZtCP2JpUqOCzpMHEwfDWSNj06QjwtRfRHfkp9S3hM_02SUEdRR1HZVUtW-mHiYqxkr2VNZ5tnoGjybIxtbG5pb1d313fjeA18S38rhNmHdoo4jDaNfY2_lnSdqqIAotmmf6c0qW6uPq9ssJKw2LGztMW1SLXytz69Nr6KvqfAnMLsxq7K09Qj1fjWiti93Q3dqOOE45_kUe1B7w7wH_zF_gr_kw== Last edited by Teevox#2949 on Jan 3, 2015, 12:20:10 AM	Posted by Teevox#2949 on Jan 2, 2015, 11:09:32 PM Quote this Post