The Thief - CoC Bow Shadow [1.1.2]

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Man hehe you just repeat your self as much as you can m8 :) more then welcome :) And it's not me coming of as a hater in this post. After 9 years in the army? you don't think it's okay i take 2 years of just for gaming and having fun + streaming ? but yeah GZ with you office job man, you are the baus :P

Bars man you make me laugh you really do :)

Ofc it's perfectly fine to just game all day long, it's great fun and I've done this too when I was a bit younger. But I didn't tell people to "get a life" ;)

You are also very entertaining, so I guess we make each other happy. We should speak more :P

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Man hehe you just repeat your self as much as you can m8 :) more then welcome :) And it's not me coming of as a hater in this post. After 9 years in the army? you don't think it's okay i take 2 years of just for gaming and having fun + streaming ? but yeah GZ with you office job man, you are the baus :P

Bars man you make me laugh you really do :)

Ofc it's perfectly fine to just game all day long, it's great fun and I've done this too when I was a bit younger. But I didn't tell people to "get a life" ;)

You are also very entertaining, so I guess we make each other happy. We should speak more :P

m8 it really sounds like you should get a life, i know i come of wrong saying it like that, but m8 40% of the posts in here is from you, and there is really no reason for it, if there is a reason i can't find it. But don't take me wrong, it's just a way of speaking, not something that should be taken personaly, just seams like you are using a lot of time in here for what ever reason i don't know :D

Yeah when you where young i was out fighting m8, so i now do what you thit back in the days :)

But yeah i totaly agree, you should come online on the mumble man, would be awesome :D i think we would have a great time together :D

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So...exactly which part of acknowledging your changes and wishing you well warranted a 10-paragraph temper tantrum?

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Triigg wrote:

So for a 5L Quill. Why link Arc instead of EK for CoC. Should I do Chain + Split + CoC + Arc + Cold Snap or switch Arc for EK?

Arc is 100% what you should be chosing :) it's shock damage and it's chains ekstra with chain gem :) Arc and Cold snap togehtter is a perfect setup, EK is if you get 6L :)

Just some friendly advice: For a 5-link, try Arc + EK with Hatred aura. Your EK will Freeze. Make sure it's linked so that Arc casts first. The order matters.

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feyith wrote:

So...exactly which part of acknowledging your changes and wishing you well warranted a 10-paragraph temper tantrum?

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Triigg wrote:

So for a 5L Quill. Why link Arc instead of EK for CoC. Should I do Chain + Split + CoC + Arc + Cold Snap or switch Arc for EK?

Arc is 100% what you should be chosing :) it's shock damage and it's chains ekstra with chain gem :) Arc and Cold snap togehtter is a perfect setup, EK is if you get 6L :)

Just some friendly advice: For a 5-link, try Arc + EK with Hatred aura. Your EK will Freeze. Make sure it's linked so that Arc casts first. The order matters.

You should ofc be using Cold Snap when you are using Voll's chest, or there is NO! reason at all to use Voll's chest, and Cold Snap vs EK when you are using voll's chest, GO home EK, and that also means you can use Grace aura or or some ohter defence aura, even if you got the defence then go haste, = more leech = more crits per second.

Using Quil Rain and Voll's like he is you should 120% be using Arc and Cold Snap if you don't have more then a 5L, To change around his defence will go down and his damage will go down. Not only will he loss the inzane damage there is from Cold snap when you are using Quill rain and voll' chest together he will also be lossing that the monsters are feezed bretty much all the time + he willbe lossing his aura to take on some aura that will ONLY! help EK and nothing els.

So if you are using Voll's like i am bretty sure you are, then i can NOT recommend the setup his is talking about.

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Right, I forgot Hatred doesn't help because of your base damage.

So then why not do EK + Cold Snap with Wrath?

Or take out Chain and use all three.

The point is your clear speed would go way up (keep Haste too).

You're freezing everything anyway, so defense is not as big a deal. *

Plus you're running permanent Endurance Charges with Immortal Call on Damage Taken.

* Actually, I've been on a YOLO kick lately and would only recommend the above if you have flasks and good reflexes. If you're AFK at the wheel, you'll die. (There, I fixed it.)

Not a he, by the way. :P

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feyith wrote:

Right, I forgot Hatred doesn't help because of your base damage.

So then why not do EK + Cold Snap with Wrath?

Or take out Chain and use all three.

The point is your clear speed would go way up (keep Haste too).

You're freezing everything anyway, so defense is not as big a deal. *

Plus you're running permanent Endurance Charges with Immortal Call on Damage Taken.

* Actually, I've been on a YOLO kick lately and would only recommend the above if you have flasks and good reflexes. If you're AFK at the wheel, you'll die. (There, I fixed it.)

Not a he, by the way. :P

You can do that setup but i would still recommend Arc over EK because Arc shock 20% chance and with chain it chains 2 extra times and it's long range good for players that don't have the best End game gear yet + chain gem = more leech, more targets hit with cold snap and more shock chance :)

So agian m8, you can chose to try out HER, not his setup, but i would still recommend you to go with Arc, because it's sound like you don't have Endgame gear yet, so keeps monters on a long range is always a great idea until you get better gear and at that time you should have a 6L quill rain so EK will be added anyway :)

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EK does more damage than arc and cold snap combined, of course EK is better. It's pointless to shock things with Arc (which may or may not shock) when you don't really do damage to begin with. EK has only one downside: it deals so much damage that physical reflect hurts.

The best dps setup with Voll's is Barrage + CoC + Cold Snap + EK as a base and nothing comes even close.

Options for the 5th link:
a) survivability
- life leech (reflect becomes much more manageable)
- summon skeletons (free meatshield, makes most bosses trivial, actually makes almost everything trivial)

b) damage
- arc (mostly for the shock, it doesn't deal much damage on its own)
- chain (AOE damage)
- increased attack speed (overall damage)
- fireball (single target damage)
- added lightning or chaos damage gem

With a setup like this, it won'be necessary to use any other attack, so you'll basically need only one 5-link and that's that.

You can always choose to farm for two 6-links instead, of course.

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Bars wrote:

EK does more damage than arc and cold snap combined, of course EK is better. It's pointless to shock things with Arc (which may or may not shock) when you don't really do damage to begin with. EK has only one downside: it deals so much damage that physical reflect hurts.

The best dps setup with Voll's is Barrage + CoC + Cold Snap + EK as a base and nothing comes even close.

Options for the 5th link:
a) survivability
- life leech (reflect becomes much more manageable)
- summon skeletons (free meatshield, makes most bosses trivial, actually makes almost everything trivial)

b) damage
- arc (mostly for the shock, it doesn't deal much damage on its own)
- chain (AOE damage)
- increased attack speed (overall damage)
- fireball (single target damage)
- added lightning or chaos damage gem

With a setup like this, it won'be necessary to use any other attack, so you'll basically need only one 5-link and that's that.

You can always choose to farm for two 6-links instead, of course.

Again i will not recommend that with a use of quill rain. To have a 5L quill rain and 5L voll's is awesome. Barrage/coc/fireball/artic breath/GMP is awesome single traget damage, when 6L go with Conc gem
Aoe Split Arrow/Coc/Chain/arc/cold snap is awesome and when 6L add EK

With just 5L you never have to vory about anythink and you can do everythink on long range that is really nice when you don't have good endgame gear yet. 25% sock chance plus 41% crit chance and doing lightning damage all the time is = everythink is constendly shocked up and cold snap will hold it in plase and because you are using split arrow and chain your leech will be awesome because of Thiefs ring and you will get more targets will be hold in plase because of cold snap.

So to end up with: I do NOT! recommend bars setup for a quill rain/voll's/thief setup, but what you chose is up to you. What they are saying with the gem setup i already tryet out and i will still recommend my setup because i found it superior when using the item setup that i am using :) Just to make sure nobody takes offence by what i am saying. i am NOT saying the setup bars and Feyith is talking about is bad, i am just saying i found my setup better.

What Bars is talking about has NOTHING to do with my guide, build or setup. But if you like what he is saying i would recommend you to go in under this guide http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/712837 It's an awesome build, works crazy good and is much less expensive then what i have build.

Thanks to Bars and Feyith, your inputs are appreciated :)

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I'm talking only about the gem setup dude, anyone can swap around some gems and try what he likes, it doesn't have to be "you must use only this". Some players like certain setups, others don't - for example, I dislike chain, others can't play without it. Have you tried barrage-coc-EK-cold snap-arc-summon skeletons? It's a GGGBBB combination, would fit in your Voll's. Give it a try, you might be surprised. Will work wonders against tough map mods / bosses.

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Bars wrote:

I'm talking only about the gem setup dude, anyone can swap around some gems and try what he likes, it doesn't have to be "you can only use these gems with this build" and so on. For example, have you tried barrage-coc-EK-cold snap-arc-summon skeletons? It's a GGGBBB combination, would fit in your Voll's. Give it a try, you might be surprised.

My barrage setup is my single target setup, it's what i use to bring down rare mobs and bosses extremely fast :)

Yes Bars i have tryet many setups with my barrage, like i also stated in the last post.

Barrage/Coc/Fireball/Artic Breath/Gmp for 5L and add conc for 6L that is what i recommend as the best single target dps there is for this kind of build, and that is ofc if you are using Voll's and Quill Rain. Like i also stated in the last post, you are more then welcome to try it out :=) i just can't recommend it, not saying it's bad, just saying that i would NOT use it for single target dps when my setup can bring a rare monster or a boss down in 0.3 seconds :)

So to end this: i think he got it and he now knows that bretty much everythink goes, and he now knows what you think is best and what i think is best, now lest not treat him like a small boy with no brain, i think the rest he can do on his own if not lest wait for a replay from him in the post and then we can always at that time help him further if needed :) No need to bump this thread even more for no reason at all :)

But again thanks for your comments they are really appreciated m8 :)

Keep happy :)

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