[Ramzi's Incinerate Blind Elidritch Battery BEST CHEEAAP Build - No gear Req No Quality gems req.

lol

here is a slightly modified passive tree that should also be able to perform the build.

It is planned for level 81 with 19 points left. Considering that for a cheap build, or your first character, when you start the game or a league, farming piety until level 77, 78 is not uncommon, so it is basically 3, 4 levels above what you can easily reach outside maps. But you can just leave a few HP nodes out, no problem.

http://www.pathofexile.com/passive-skill-tree/AAAAAgMAAnEC4wQHBLMFWwdjB6UI9BGWFE0WbxcvGYUaOBpsHRQfAiQ8JKonqSj6KU8snC0fL28xiDWSNsU26TrhPV9Bh0SrRZ1G10lRSbJMs03jUlNVrlXGVdZXK1ptXcZgbWTnbRlwu3NTeQN6qn_GgKSCEIIegpuCx4M4iPGLjI9Gj6aQVZrgnYCiAKKjplenCKdcp4SsWbUEtz64k8BUwfPPZdDQ2CTZE9rd2wvd89-w4XPjauQi52Pr7uw47SDvfPAf8kX56PrS_gr-jw==



Differences:

Your passive tree (using the most important points for the build only, data from http://pathofpoe.com/builds/passive-calculator/
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166% increased maximum life
92% increased maximum energy shield*
120% increased Mana Regeneration Rate
41% reduced Mana Reserved
32% increased maximum Mana
28% increased effect of Auras you Cast
24% increased Radius of Auras
20 to maximum Mana
12% increased Radius of Area Skills


My passive tree:

280% increased maximum life
62% increased maximum energy shield*
2% of Life Regenerated per Second
160% increased Mana Regeneration Rate
21% reduced Mana Reserved
52% increased maximum Mana
38% increased effect of Auras you Cast
24% increased Radius of Area Skills


My tree has a little less damage, yes, and it also has less mana reservation reduction. but it has a ton more mana (-> more regeneration), it has a ton more mana regeneration (-> more regeneration) AND it has quite a bit more aura effect (more purity, clarity and discipline: more shield=mana=mana reg, resistances and mana regeneration). With all the mana and regeneration my build has MORE than yours, we should be able to still run all three auras AND arctic armour comfortably. It also has more AoE damage - but, first and foremost, MY tree has well over 100% more HP than your tree. If we say that we wear 7 items with about 58 HP on it, and we have about level 80, that is about 1K hp MORE than your build with no real downsides.

Even with awful items, I will have 4K hp, maxed resistances and I will probably be able to support a max level Arctic Armour with just some regeneration in my gear. I am somewhat lategame viable even with garbage gear, you are not.


Discuss.


(NOW WASN'T THAT A HELPFUL REPLY FOR A CHANGE! WELL DONE MYSELF *tap on the back*)

Don't get me wrong, a build like this is still not really good. All that mana only really works when you are Mind Over Matter as well, and that just doesn't work as witch. If you do this similar build as Scion (you might consider a variation of ZiggyD ' s Mind Over Matter EK Scion ), you will be a LOT tankier just with mind over matter.

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Kiedel wrote:

Don't get me wrong, a build like this is still not really good. All that mana only really works when you are Mind Over Matter as well, and that just doesn't work as witch. If you do this similar build as Scion (you might consider a variation of ZiggyD ' s Mind Over Matter EK Scion ), you will be a LOT tankier just with mind over matter.

Thanks for the in-depth explanation :)

Yes i see the difference there but with blind you want to down the mobs and bosses as quick as possible...Cause it's not on 100% of the time if mobs run thats why more dmg is good.

I'm doing up to lvl 69 maps with many different stats on map and comfortably clearing everything...

To be honest all variation is possible as it depends on what you like and how you play :D

Thanks "Tap on the back for u"

:)

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bermalberist4 wrote:

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SkyCore wrote:

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bermalberist4 wrote:

Blind vs spell bosses = useless

I blinded Kole for several months with a similar build. It works.

kole yeah, the #1 spellboss /facepalm at strong reading comprehension

Blind doesnt mean you never get hit ... big hits or a lot of physical hits before blind even takes effect or from shit out of incinerate range wreck this build. I know from experience, every single build in this game that has low hp is going to be dying in maps and losing xp quite often.

This is the only EB build i seen running discipline, guess what you need for arctic armor besides mana regen, ACTUAL MANA, you lose with discipline. Also, you run all the time with incinerate to need so much mana renen for AA? found a hack to let you cast while running? lmk

And it has only 1xx% life from gear, there is only so much hp it can get and POS glass cannon is POS glass cannon, end of story. Actually just glass, no cannon either.

ZiggyD's EK Scion Build uses Discipline with EB, and gains mana. Nice try though.

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Celerfot wrote:

ZiggyD's EK Scion Build uses Discipline with EB, and gains mana. Nice try though.

He is EK, his tree can take zero dmg nodes (in fact his dps is very shitty) and instead shit tons of %ES and mana and %buff / aura nodes. His gear is very specific with lots of ES and int and mana. Despite all that, he has 4k mana and he gains about 400 mana from disc so only 10% gain. And has to reserve 1/3 of his mana for it. Do you understand why it doesnt make sense?Every other build besides EK wont gain any mana, or just break even , cuz it needs dmg nodes, and could use another aura instead or leave some mana free. ZiggyD is the only MOM build I have seen using discipline so far, it is pointless and the guy doesnt realise it. Mana regen for AA is not the point, he has enough of it with 3000 mana if he wants to and who the hell runs all the time? Or doesnt use lightning warp?

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RamziKhoury wrote:

Yes i see the difference there but with blind you want to down the mobs and bosses as quick as possible...Cause it's not on 100% of the time if mobs run thats why more dmg is good.

Some of the most dangerous map mods and bosses are not effected by blind at all. You havent discovered America by using blind, it doesnt turn a 2000hp glass cannon into a tank. You cant blind everything all the time before it hits you, lots of enemies will be out of range, can flicker or shoot arrows or charge etc etc. You also have very low armor, to make things worse, and no MOM. A simple physical hit could hit you for 800 hp easily.

Again, show me temple / jungle valley / academy / museum / torture chamber maps without dying.

One more thing

RamziKhoury's characters

This user do not have any character on top15000 in any ladder.

Yeah bro, you been running all kinds of maps with this build ... pfff.

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bermalberist4 wrote:

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Celerfot wrote:

ZiggyD's EK Scion Build uses Discipline with EB, and gains mana. Nice try though.

He is EK, his tree can take zero dmg nodes (in fact his dps is very shitty) and instead shit tons of %ES and mana and %buff / aura nodes. His gear is very specific with lots of ES and int and mana. Despite all that, he has 4k mana and he gains about 400 mana from disc so only 10% gain. And has to reserve 1/3 of his mana for it. Do you understand why it doesnt make sense?Every other build besides EK wont gain any mana, or just break even , cuz it needs dmg nodes, and could use another aura instead or leave some mana free. ZiggyD is the only MOM build I have seen using discipline so far, it is pointless and the guy doesnt realise it. Mana regen for AA is not the point, he has enough of it with 3000 mana if he wants to and who the hell runs all the time? Or doesnt use lightning warp?

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RamziKhoury wrote:

Yes i see the difference there but with blind you want to down the mobs and bosses as quick as possible...Cause it's not on 100% of the time if mobs run thats why more dmg is good.

Some of the most dangerous map mods and bosses are not effected by blind at all. You havent discovered America by using blind, it doesnt turn a 2000hp glass cannon into a tank. You cant blind everything all the time before it hits you, lots of enemies will be out of range, can flicker or shoot arrows or charge etc etc. You also have very low armor, to make things worse, and no MOM. A simple physical hit could hit you for 800 hp easily.

Again, show me temple / jungle valley / academy / museum / torture chamber maps without dying.

One more thing

RamziKhoury's characters

This user do not have any character on top15000 in any ladder.

Yeah bro, you been running all kinds of maps with this build ... pfff.

If you haven't noticed i have a life and i play according to my work schedule and night outs... Unlike you... So i don't have to be top anything to come out with a build, i have another ranger lvl 80 which is doing great too... You have your profile private because you don't want anyone to see how shitty you are... that says it all...

@bermalberist4

I've checked your recent posts on other threads...
All you do is bash people to get attention...
Well not on this thread! I don't see anyone in this thread who agreed with anything you said.. So from now on you are /ignore

Took you long enough to realize that you don't feed trolls.

But he does have a point in that you can't blind spellcasters. That is one major weakness in your defense. Another weak spot is the choice of your auras. Running grace is a good option for chars that pick up iron reflexes as it gives a big armour boost. But with mixed gear bag (chest is armour based for example) you just get sub par armour and sub par evasion which doesn't add up to a decent defense. To survive in higher maps you have to concentrate on a specific defense (go full evasion or full armour and max it instead of sitting on mixed mediocre stats). The way the game mechanics work so-so armour and so-so evasion doesn't add up to average+ defense once you progress to higher game content.
You might get away with a bit of a shitty defense with every other spell as you can can kite and run around as a ranged char but not with incinerate, the one spell that you have to sacrifice your mobility for it to work. At least you should have invested in shield nodes to get some decent block chance.
For a better balanced incinerate build you might have a look at [1.0.6] Mahuika, the Incinerator - Guide to a tankable CI selfcaster [MF viable].

Now your build as it is now will certainly be ok to handle normal game content and make piety runs, but i don't think it is viable for endgame content (lvl70+ maps). Well, not everyone is eager playing that content and might look for a guide that just does ok in normal content and low maps, but you should mention that. Calling it "best whatsoever" and "...can facetank any boss" just ain't true and gives people looking for a guide really a false impression on the limits of this build. Writing a good guide also means that you point out the limits of the build.

Edit:
BTW Blast radius just for the fire trap support while ignoring Ballastic mastery which would be much more beneficial for incinerate? Why?

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bermalberist4 wrote:

Running discipline on EB = epic facepalm, you reserve more than you gain or just break even (check every other EB build out there)

Running discipline when you have EB gives you much higher mana regen. It is in my opinion one of the best auras for a MOM EB build to use.