Laz's Level 95 CI Crit Physical Dagger Spectral Throw/Double Strike Build! W/ Gameplay Footage!

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Poutsos wrote:

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MixedHerb wrote:

Yo! Thanks man!! And I agree 100% with the Melee dmg on full life 100% better! thank you so much. On the Frenzy+Multistrike. I find Double Strike to do the job a lot faster (attack wise) and I don't wanna be bound to multistrike having to stand there for 3 full attacks not being able to move sometimes and be a bad idea. Also, I gain frenzy charges from bloodrage so I don't really find frenzy as efficient as I do Double Strike! And yes that double crema boss was a rush! Gonna posting a Double Dominus Boss fight in the 78 Palace map soon! :x.

Will be updating the 4L with the new gem once I get my hands on it.

Hey mate.Did some testing again(not preaching or anything of course,just giving suggestions,testing things is the most fun aspect of the game :D)

All screenshots were taken with 4 power charges and 6 frenzy charges.All gems are 20/20

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I know u do not want to run multistrike(i couldnt post results with faster attacks,cause i do not have the right colours) and u have good reasons for it(however it allows me to straight face tank reflect mobs,something i cant really do without multistrike).Also u have 5 frenzy charges,which would make the difference between frenzy and double strike insignificant(around 5K).With frenzy though u won't ever run out of charges,even if there is nothing to kill around u,or if they have expired,granting u also 20+% increased armour :D.Also with an extra frenzy u can have a 20-25% stronger single target attack.
Now on increased critical damage vs melee physical.I know that the difference seems insignificant between them,however it is not.Thats because how evasion and accuracy works in this game.From Wiki:
If an incoming critical strike succeeds its hit roll, a second independent hit roll is performed to determine if the critical is evaded or not. If this roll succeeds, a critical strike is scored. If it fails, the attack still hits, but only for regular damage.
This part is not calculated on the tooltip DPS,meaning that eventualy our hit chance becomes a more important factor than crit chance end game,and that our actual critical chance is indeed lower than 85%.Melee physical,will give more consistency,hitting harder even the times we wont crit.My 2 cents :D
edit:when wiki says "a second independent hit roll" it refers to your hit chance,not crit chance.So u hit,rolls hit chance to see if u actually hit,then rolls crit chance to see if u crit.If u do,it rolls your hit chance again to determine if the crit stays crit,or it is downgraded to a normal attack.Thats why IMO the holy grail of a crit build,is capped crit and capped hit chance for the max possible consistency.Also why my 6th gem,will be additional accuracy on my flicker,instead of say,melee physical which will increased the DPS tooltip rediculously!

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MixedHerb wrote:

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Poutsos wrote:

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MixedHerb wrote:

Yo! Thanks man!! And I agree 100% with the Melee dmg on full life 100% better! thank you so much. On the Frenzy+Multistrike. I find Double Strike to do the job a lot faster (attack wise) and I don't wanna be bound to multistrike having to stand there for 3 full attacks not being able to move sometimes and be a bad idea. Also, I gain frenzy charges from bloodrage so I don't really find frenzy as efficient as I do Double Strike! And yes that double crema boss was a rush! Gonna posting a Double Dominus Boss fight in the 78 Palace map soon! :x.

Will be updating the 4L with the new gem once I get my hands on it.

Hey mate.Did some testing again(not preaching or anything of course,just giving suggestions,testing things is the most fun aspect of the game :D)

All screenshots were taken with 4 power charges and 6 frenzy charges.All gems are 20/20

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Frenzy-multistrike-melee on full life-melee physical

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I know u do not want to run multistrike(i couldnt post results with faster attacks,cause i do not have the right colours) and u have good reasons for it(however it allows me to straight face tank reflect mobs,something i cant really do without multistrike).Also u have 5 frenzy charges,which would make the difference between frenzy and double strike insignificant(around 5K).With frenzy though u won't ever run out of charges,even if there is nothing to kill around u,or if they have expired,granting u also 20+% increased armour :D.Also with an extra frenzy u can have a 20-25% stronger single target attack.
Now on increased critical damage vs melee physical.I know that the difference seems insignificant between them,however it is not.Thats because how evasion and accuracy works in this game.From Wiki:
If an incoming critical strike succeeds its hit roll, a second independent hit roll is performed to determine if the critical is evaded or not. If this roll succeeds, a critical strike is scored. If it fails, the attack still hits, but only for regular damage.
This part is not calculated on the tooltip DPS,meaning that eventualy our hit chance becomes a more important factor than crit chance end game,and that our actual critical chance is indeed lower than 85%.Melee physical,will give more consistency,hitting harder even the times we wont crit.My 2 cents :D
edit:when wiki says "a second independent hit roll" it refers to your hit chance,not crit chance.So u hit,rolls hit chance to see if u actually hit,then rolls crit chance to see if u crit.If u do,it rolls your hit chance again to determine if the crit stays crit,or it is downgraded to a normal attack.Thats why IMO the holy grail of a crit build,is capped crit and capped hit chance for the max possible consistency.Also why my 6th gem,will be additional accuracy on my flicker,instead of say,melee physical which will increased the DPS tooltip rediculously!

yoo! i appreciate the testing! i will be checking out how the build runs with double strike + Fa + melee on full life + melee physical dmg.

I tried out frenzy and wasn't feeling it I will be testing out the melee physical gem! :D
some good juicy info you posted there and I do appreciate it. I'm still learning a lot about this character considering all I did up until recently was play a ranger till level 100.. so there is still much to learn. :) will get back to you on how im liking the gem!

edit: Trying out the gem went up from 83k to 93k will do more testing in maps.

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MixedHerb wrote:

Been trying out Frenzy + Multistrike x.x the damage is so nice! it'll take some getting use to but I think I'll def stick to this setup. thanks again man :)

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Poutsos wrote:

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MixedHerb wrote:

Been trying out Frenzy + Multistrike x.x the damage is so nice! it'll take some getting use to but I think I'll def stick to this setup. thanks again man :)

Happy to help :D.I generally do not trust the tooltip,and awhile ago i was using a timer,while killing Kole and Piety,to determine if frenzy was actually killing faster than double strike.I ve done it dozens of times and frenzy was constistently performing better than double strike.That being said,there is something very annoying with frenzy,that i don;t know if just happens to me.Lot's of times there is some kind of latency,only with frenzy,where i hit a mob just one time.Nothing happens for a second,and then just dies.I don't know if this is has to do with some bug with the attack,or my net connection.It does happen with flicker strike sometimes,but way les frequently :/

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Cloud_Templar wrote:

shoutout to my boy laz over here for making this guide, helped me a lot when it came to me switching builds, i followed his passive tree nearly down to the wire (i made a few adjustments, dropping mind drinker, blood drinker and crystal skin for fencing and haste)

i messaged him in game and asked him all my questions/thoughts/doubts and he gave me his thorough, honest and experienced opinion on all and it really helped a lot when making this build.

my gear is quite different to his, using a pure es chest and eva/es shield to compensate for lack of evasion in chest.

the gem choices/bandit rewards are all spot on, and the damage is absolutely unreal.

i dont even have leveled/quality gems yet, but i can already clear maps at ridiculous speeds and i dont have to worry about reflect of any kind (except no regen vuln double reflect packs, they are a little tricky but still do-able!)

thanks again laz <3

my gear if anyone was interested

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