[Strongest Solo Variation: Projectile Madness Spectres] LMP/GMP Ice Spear 2x Totem 2x Curse 3x Traps

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Faendris wrote:
I am a lucky SOB and found a mirror and I have access to an insane 6L to use the mirror on. I would like to ask how you would set up the gemcolor.

RGBB is set for the basic totem gems. But what about the final two?

I would tend towards RB. Red for either item quantity or reduced mana, blue for item quality or increased critical strikes/damage.

What do you think?



In CB i had one of the best ES armors in game (6L, 1050 ES and resists, one of the eight mirrored copies).

my setup at that time was (and at that time i already debated over and over with other veteran players increased crit dmg vs. added lightning dmg):

Totem (R) - Ice spear (B) - Faster cast (B) - GMP (G) - reduced mana (R) - increased critical dmg (B). So its RRBBBG. The main concern at that time was added lightning dmg's shock stack expire too fast.




However now its different since i have potentially stronger variations such as EB/health/iron will build.

Theres two support gems that can be now swapped. first, reduced mana for iron will. Second, increased critical dmg vs. added lightning dmg, given enough cast speed to use ice spear totems to trigger shock fast enough.

In the end you have to test the two gems yourself, both at a high lvl because added lightning dmg in early lvls suck. They are both blue anyway so not really a trouble with rerolling sockets.
IGN: hyperculler (torment)
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IGN: hyperculler (torment)
Last edited by hypershatter#4607 on Feb 11, 2013, 10:47:40 PM
Can anyone explain how this differs from Dominion's build/playstyle? Also how viable is this for Hardcore?
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KouGrizzle wrote:
Can anyone explain how this differs from Dominion's build/playstyle? Also how viable is this for Hardcore?


first of all, lets get a few things cleared:

1. if you dont know who dominion is, search him up. He is a very good/experienced player and definitely has my respect.

1.5. try to understand the difference of the two builds and why we do things differently. if you look closely our skill trees are very similar. especially similar if you compare against my HP variation.

2. its the old concept of sparker vs ice spear, which is the better dual totem build? In CB hands down sparker+summoner wins. Sparker was mainstream, my ice spear dual totem was not. However this is OB. Spark got nerfed hard, not hard enough to become unviable, but hard enough so that it is now inferior to ice spear because there was no nerf to ice spear. And this build does not use chain or fork and thats why cannot be impacted if the two popular support gems get nerfed.

dual ice spear totem is a concept i personally brought up to popularity as of late CB. Dual ice spear totem was severely underrated because people didnt understand the crit. chance forms and how they significantly boosts both dmg and survivability.

Sparkers on the other hand has insane dmg, but again that got nerfed. by itself it can no longer provide survivability because the main point of sparkers is to kill everything before they kill you . Thats why the new variations rely on summoning.

2.5. therefore, because sparkers now rely on summoning for defence, it can no longer compete with ice spear in terms of offensive speed given the same amount of gear. This is due to minions AI suck horribly in this game.

3. on the other hand, the survivability side depends on gear and how you use them. Dominion is one of the best HC players, HC players stack survivability but sacrifice DPS. remember that.

I hope this helped.
IGN: hyperculler (torment)
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hypershatter wrote:
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Faendris wrote:
I am a lucky SOB and found a mirror and I have access to an insane 6L to use the mirror on. I would like to ask how you would set up the gemcolor.

RGBB is set for the basic totem gems. But what about the final two?

I would tend towards RB. Red for either item quantity or reduced mana, blue for item quality or increased critical strikes/damage.

What do you think?



In CB i had one of the best ES armors in game (6L, 1050 ES and resists, one of the eight mirrored copies).

my setup at that time was (and at that time i already debated over and over with other veteran players increased crit dmg vs. added lightning dmg):

Totem (R) - Ice spear (B) - Faster cast (B) - GMP (G) - reduced mana (R) - increased critical dmg (B). So its RRBBBG. The main concern at that time was added lightning dmg's shock stack expire too fast.




However now its different since i have potentially stronger variations such as EB/health/iron will build.

Theres two support gems that can be now swapped. first, reduced mana for iron will. Second, increased critical dmg vs. added lightning dmg, given enough cast speed to use ice spear totems to trigger shock fast enough.

In the end you have to test the two gems yourself, both at a high lvl because added lightning dmg in early lvls suck. They are both blue anyway so not really a trouble with rerolling sockets.


Thanks, that was extremely helpful! I will toy around with both setups.

My new treasure now is this:



If anyone wants to mirror the same armor, I can refer you to the one owning it and I can vouch for his honesty.

I am a happy witch now.
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hypershatter wrote:
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KouGrizzle wrote:
Can anyone explain how this differs from Dominion's build/playstyle? Also how viable is this for Hardcore?


first of all, lets get a few things cleared:

1. if you dont know who dominion is, search him up. He is a very good/experienced player and definitely has my respect.

1.5. try to understand the difference of the two builds and why we do things differently. if you look closely our skill trees are very similar. especially similar if you compare against my HP variation.

2. its the old concept of sparker vs ice spear, which is the better dual totem build? In CB hands down sparker+summoner wins. Sparker was mainstream, my ice spear dual totem was not. However this is OB. Spark got nerfed hard, not hard enough to become unviable, but hard enough so that it is now inferior to ice spear because there was no nerf to ice spear. And this build does not use chain or fork and thats why cannot be impacted if the two popular support gems get nerfed.

dual ice spear totem is a concept i personally brought up to popularity as of late CB. Dual ice spear totem was severely underrated because people didnt understand the crit. chance forms and how they significantly boosts both dmg and survivability.

Sparkers on the other hand has insane dmg, but again that got nerfed. by itself it can no longer provide survivability because the main point of sparkers is to kill everything before they kill you . Thats why the new variations rely on summoning.

2.5. therefore, because sparkers now rely on summoning for defence, it can no longer compete with ice spear in terms of offensive speed given the same amount of gear. This is due to minions AI suck horribly in this game.

3. on the other hand, the survivability side depends on gear and how you use them. Dominion is one of the best HC players, HC players stack survivability but sacrifice DPS. remember that.

I hope this helped.



Thanks for the info. Unfortunately I hate classes that rely on pets/minions/summonable things. Sucks because I enjoy ranged caster classes. Guess I'm goin back to the Ranger, I don't see any Witch builds that fit that role in this game, meh.
Last edited by KouGrizzle#6304 on Feb 12, 2013, 12:40:57 AM
im now doing act 3 cruel with the old ci build. can get through all the maps without any problem so far. soloing boss is quite easy too. my only concern is the 92 dps on ice spear totem(btw i only have 3L for my totem atm). I felt killing becoming slower after i clicked the ancestral bond. my freezing pulse is 400 dps meanwhile my totem was arround 80 before. however i almost never died with 2 totems. with conversion, bear traps, buffs etc this build is very versatile imo. but i agree that it could get boring, waiting behind while totem/summons does all the action. it's like playing as cleric in other mmo game.
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1. Iron will must be at high lvl (13+) to avoid most of the cast speed penalty.
2. Unique items (windscream boots/Doedre's Damning, Astramentis, meginord's girdle)
3. Decent armor/ES hybrid gear, decent dual wand spell damage.
4. Elemental weakness and frostbite curses, preferably high quality
5. at least 5L armor (lmp/gmp-ice spear-faster cast-spell totem-iron will). with 6L works best because you can throw in reduced mana which will be really good.

Why are the reguirements so high for the templar build? I would really like to try it as my first char to merciless since my CI shadow failed at cruel act3 (not enough ES itams).

1. You could just level iron will in a alternate weaponset until its high enough?
2. Why do you need so many uniques?
2. Pure ES CI build is even more restricted with good ES gear since you get very little ES with just passives?
3. Doesn't the witch build use these too?
4. You could use it without iron will until you get 5link armor?

Anyways, can I use this EB templar build to get into merciless as my first char, with low items? I don't really want to get stuck farming cruel fellshire for long time until I can progress again :<
Using a Mirror this early on is absolutely a bad idea.
Hey guys,
running as a Shadow atm on lvl 74. Didn't do too many maps yet as I am waiting for some friends to lvl up first.
Atm I am discussing with myself if I should make the switch from my hybrid build to a pure CI build. The problem I see with the hybrid is in maps with the constant chaos damage dots because I have no life regen notes. Is there another way around or do I just have to get life regen? How do other ppl solve that problem.

This is my current build:
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http://www.pathofexile.com/passive-skill-tree/AAAAAgYBAv4EBwdjCPQMfQ5IEH8RLxGWFecWvxdUGYUabB8CIoEkPCSqJpUnqSynLR8vnTbFNuk74ULDRtdJUUyzVUtVxlcrWfNaK1ptXcZd8mBtYeJmnm0ZcFJw1XNTc7N5A35Zf8aH24t6jDaOPI5kj0aQVZmanaOdrp6hoi6io6PypwinK6dcr5u1BLb3tvq4k8AawFTB88Ntxp7PZdDQ1U_YJNrd3fPed9-E4vfjauQi62PsGPBr8-r3pvrS_Ks=


2.2k HP, 3.2k ES and my totems do 470 dps atm. Surviveability seems fine overall. I just can't make up my mind where I wanna go from here. Any tips from higher lvl fellows? Hybrid or CI?

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